Iglesia Ni Cristo

[read_me]

FYI,

the INK head Erano Manalo has passed from this life. Now he knows the TRUTH.

My friend who is a convert from INK to Catholicism has told me that the internal tension w/in the INK is that of ‘succession.’

If I understand it right, it says no where in any bible (and the INK use many bibles including
many ‘paraphrased bibles’ such as the Lamsa translation) that the ‘Sugo’ or head/Prophet of the INK has to be a family member of the original Felix Ysagun (Manalo).

Thus, there are senior INK pastors who are ‘quietly’ militating against the succession of the son Eduardo (“EddieBoy”) as the new ‘Sugo.’

From what I’ve learned, the INK is a very organised, secretive group and it’s members are very ‘orthodox’ because they are constantly monitored in all their INK activities. Shades of the Orwellian ‘Big Brother.’ Furthermore, as an incentive, all INK are taken cared of from ‘cradle to grave,’ that is, as long as they conform.

Thus this so-called ‘New INK’ faction will surely continue on it’s advocacy and many believe that an internal split will likely occur and the recent death of their ‘Sugo’ (Erano Manalo) will add to it.

President Arroyo (a Catholic) has declared this coming Monday as a national day of prayer for the repose of the soul of Mr. Manalo despite the historical rabid anti-Catholicism of the INK, … indeed, a very generous, Christian/Catholic thing to do !!!

Cheers and God bless,

At first, it is clearly that you are an unschooled one, right?
at the first place, Ka erdy had been passed away, so please respect him
as a person, and take away first the issues or talks related to him especially about religion! and please, dont adds up conclusions or whatever why he died, he died because of cardiac arrest and it is not related to religion! and he not died because “he knows the truth”? HUH? he is also a person, a human. and CAN suffer death! Like you, you will be die also, we, i and everyone.

And FYI, the one you are saying “sugo” or god’s messenger is Ka felix manalo and not ka erano and even ka eduardo! they are just caring and leading for the goodness of the church. And yes! INC TAKES CARE OF THE MEMBERS, because the INC believes the IMPORTANCE of the worship services not like your church, that the priest or your church administration doesnt care about others or the catholics! that they are not giving importance to the worship services for GOD, they just attend when they want and when an special occassion comes like christmass, and etc. NOTICED IT? haha

 

[read_me]

and BTW, jesus promised He will not let Hell prevail over His church. so your issue of apostasy?

I think you are making Jesus a Liar now if your saying His church turn back against him.

“Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first…”
II thess 2:3

“…for it will not come until after the great apostasy…” (II thess 2:3 twentieth century new testament)

and what means here is the apostasy.

"False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines and will deny the master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction.” (II pet. 2:1)

You will noticed that it has been said that the false prophets appeared in the PAST…
And who claim that their church is the true church by looking at the history? well… hehehe
And thats fulfill when the apostles died and the new church administration take place.

“…untrue doctrines…”
QUESTION: who invent or formulate the doctrine trinity?

“…so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction…”
Q: what church does have the history about that? haha

 

[M_catholic]

No. i am not saying about the exact or the true numbers of membership in the catholic church. the one that i want to point out is that they are decreasing because they are joining another religion and whatsoever.

why will i count for that? the true church doesnt need to be more in number… you should not forget that

didn’t you ask me to compare the numbers earlier?

you are the one who open the topic about the population not me. that’s why i asked you if you really want to go discussing numbers now.

while it’s true that there are catholics that are converting to other religion, there are also people going back home to the faith. watch Journey Home in EWTN. You’ll be amazed even Protestant Pastors tell their stories about how they journeyed home to the catholic faith.

come to think? you won’t also deny that there are Former INC members now that have also converted to other religions.

 

[M_catholic]

“Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first…”
II thess 2:3

“…for it will not come until after the great apostasy…” (II thess 2:3 twentieth century new testament)

and what means here is the apostasy.

"False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines and will deny the master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction.” (II pet. 2:1)

You will noticed that it has been said that the false prophets appeared in the PAST…
And who claim that their church is the true church by looking at the history? well… hehehe
And thats fulfill when the apostles died and the new church administration take place.

“…untrue doctrines…”
QUESTION: who invent or formulate the doctrine trinity?

“…so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction…”
Q: what church does have the history about that? haha

yeah there are already false prophets in the past. and Felix Manalo is one of them.

Tell me now, Did Jesus lied when in fact he promised he will never let hell overcome the church?

 

[read_me]

yeah there are already false prophets in the past. and Felix Manalo is one of them.

Tell me now, Did Jesus lied when in fact he promised he will never let hell overcome the church?

so, how come ka felix manalo one of them? DID KA FELIX EXISTS AFTER THE APOSTLES DIED? hello?

 

[M_catholic]

so, how come ka felix manalo one of them? DID KA FELIX EXISTS AFTER THE APOSTLES DIED? hello?

oh… Hi…

you didn’t get the point. there are false prophets and teachers that taught different teachings in the past. And one of them is Felix Manalo. Why? Didn’t he established a church in the phil?

again, Did Jesus lied when in fact he promised he will never let hell overcome the church?

 

[read_me]

didn’t you ask me to compare the numbers earlier?

you are the one who open the topic about the population not me. that’s why i asked you if you really want to go discussing numbers now.

while it’s true that there are catholics that are converting to other religion, there are also people going back home to the faith. watch Journey Home in EWTN. You’ll be amazed even Protestant Pastors tell their stories about how they journeyed home to the catholic faith.

come to think? you won’t also deny that there are Former INC members now that have also converted to other religions.

but the point is, the huge percentage of the catholics were gone if you will compare it from past to present!! and yes. other INC members but those where ones that expelled from the church because of bad doings.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Our spineless, sycophantic politicians troop to Central to give Eraneo Manalo respects, when he in his life never respected their beliefs. Why then should he be given the respect he never deserved? It’s only because of the votes that these spineless politicians of ours go there. Shame on them for that, especially for those politicians who call themselves Catholic and Christian. Let them who are dead bury their dead.

Oh well on the bright side, I got no school tomorrow (at least that’s what’s been going around). Furthermore, they won’t be getting my vote cuz well, I don’t vote (even though I’m waay old enough to).

Their loss I guess?

 

[M_catholic]

but the point is, the huge percentage of the catholics were gone if you will compare it from past to present!! and yes. other INC members but those where ones that expelled from the church because of bad doings.

now, Let me ask you, How do you know? prove to it that there is a really a huge percentage.

come on now, The CC has already encountered may heresies in the past. (that includes arian teaching) but the Church remained strong up to the present.

 

[tscotom]

Please bear with me,
I will try to understand your post and you will find my comments and clarifications in italics in parentheses.

read me posted:

At first, it is clearly that you are an unschooled one, right?
(Firstly, it appears that you are mis-informed.)

at the first place, Ka erdy had been passed away, so please respect him
(In the first place, Ka Erdie has passed away, so please respect him)
read me, may I say that I was just stating a fact, that when we pass from this earth, we will/have to know the Truth of our past life. I say this because eventually we either go to Heaven or hell and it would be absurd if we didn’t know the Truth by then !!)

as a person, and take away first the issues or talks related to him especially about religion! and please, dont adds up conclusions or whatever why he died, he died because of cardiac arrest and it is not related to religion! and he not died because “he knows the truth”?
(Gee, I am at a loss here, I take it you think it is inappropriate for me to take issue here with regard to your religion ?? To be honest, the bulk of what I’ve posted here re: the coming succession problems of the INK comes from one of your former members who is now a Catholic and a good friend of mine. I also did a little research on the ‘New INK movement’ w/in the INK !! )

HUH? he is also a person, a human. and CAN suffer death! Like you, you will be die also, we, i and everyone.
(Sorry read me, I think you really misunderstand me. I agree we, you and I [including Ka Erdie, may God rest his soul] are all mortal, we will all die.)

And FYI, the one you are saying “sugo” or god’s messenger is Ka felix manalo and not ka erano and even ka eduardo! they are just caring and leading for the goodness of the church.
(Thank you for the clarification read me, you are saying that it is ONLY Ka Felix Ysagun (Manalo) that is the ‘Sugo’ or God’s Messenger, not his son Ka Erdie, nor his grandson EddieBoy.)
my question is, can the INK be lead by a non-Manalo ??

And yes! INC TAKES CARE OF THE MEMBERS, because the INC believes the IMPORTANCE of the worship services not like your church, that the priest or your church administration doesnt care about others or the catholics!
(Understood ! The INK believes in the importance of (INK) worship services unlike the
Catholic hierarchy/priests who do not care about others or the [their] Catholic faithful.)
(May I add a rejoinder to this, You sir may know about the INK, but may I say that you do not know what you are talking about re: Catholicism)

that they are not giving importance to the worship services for GOD, they just attend when they want and when an special occassion comes like christmass, and etc. NOTICED IT? haha

(that they (Catholics) do not give importance to the worship services for God, they just attend (Mass) when they want and during special occasions like Christmas etc., do you
get it ?? haha)
(My comments here are quite simple, all that a good Catholic is supposed to know, believe and do is found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. No one is forced to do anything in our Church, we have free-will to either practice [Catholic] virtue and avoid [human] vice.
Unlike the INK, we are not segregated male & female; we do not have to tithe 10% or more and stuff the money in a white envelop and process to place it in a big ‘donation box’ in the centre of your temple under the watchful eye of your pastors; or punch in [using a bundy clock] your attendance on Thursdays…all these are not biblical but then again I wish not to get into a biblical argument…

So read me, I trust you will understand my comments/clarifications thus far, in case you need further enlightenment, please feel free…

Cheers and God (the Triune God) bless,

 

[choy]

Our spineless, sycophantic politicians troop to Central to give Eraneo Manalo respects, when he in his life never respected their beliefs. Why then should he be given the respect he never deserved? It’s only because of the votes that these spineless politicians of ours go there. Shame on them for that, especially for those politicians who call themselves Catholic and Christian. Let them who are dead bury their dead.

Pinoy here, this is my first post

as Catholics we should pray for Erano Manalo. is that not what Jesus has taught us? to love all? we should pray for all INC members, all Muslims, all Buddhists, everyone on earth. because Christ came and taught us to love, not to hate, not to turn our backs on those who persecute us.

 

[4Squarebaby]

Pinoy here, this is my first post

as Catholics we should pray for Erano Manalo. is that not what Jesus has taught us? to love all? we should pray for all INC members, all Muslims, all Buddhists, everyone on earth. because Christ came and taught us to love, not to hate, not to turn our backs on those who persecute us.

praying for someone is fine. The government declaring a national day of mourning because it believes the son who will become the next Executive minister will deliver as a bloc 6% of the vote to their party is something else.

 

[choy]

let the government be. we gain nothing from hating. Jesus taught us to love and forgive and let us do such. why not spend the day helping a charity instead?

 

[ferdie]

let the government be. we gain nothing from hating. Jesus taught us to love and forgive and let us do such. why not spend the day helping a charity instead?

Let the gov’t be? It is the gov’t with it’s corrupt politicians and gov’t workers who are making it hard for the people to live their day to day lives. Some of these politicians didn’t go to Manalo’s funeral to show respect, but to gain some votes.
I agree with you that we are to love and forgive, but that doesn’t mean to say we are going to turn our backs when we see rampant graft and corruption in all levels of gov’t and the society itself.

 

[ferdie]

So rude of me, welcome to the forum, I’ve just noticed that you are new here. Enjoy your stay!

 

[choy]

then let those politicians be. let God judge what is in their hearts and deal with them appropriately. let us not look to politicians to uplift the daily lives of people but to ourselves. if every person out there do what is right and what is just, then society in itself will turn for the better

but the problem in the Philippines is not just the leaders, but the people as well. corruption does not exist only in the public offices but in the general public. don’t put the blame solely on the policeman or the tax collector or the customs official or the land transportation office clerk for taking a bribe when Juan dela Cruz doesn’t think twice of pulling out his wallet whenever he’s faced by one of these “public servants”.

 

[ferdie]

then let those politicians be. let God judge what is in their hearts and deal with them appropriately. let us not look to politicians to uplift the daily lives of people but to ourselves. if every person out there do what is right and what is just, then society in itself will turn for the better

but the problem in the Philippines is not just the leaders, but the people as well. corruption does not exist only in the public offices but in the general public. don’t put the blame solely on the policeman or the tax collector or the customs official or the land transportation office clerk for taking a bribe when Juan dela Cruz doesn’t think twice of pulling out his wallet whenever he’s faced by one of these “public servants”.

I agree with you that the people is also the problem, that is why I said that the society itself is corrupt. The poor have to do what they have to do to survive, the politicians do what they do to amass more wealth and power, they don’t do it to survive, but to have more in the expense of the poor.
When the poor expend their whole day looking for just one meal to get by, we can’t expect them to look for themselves to uplift their lives. These people need protection and help, they are one of the weakest in society, and it is the job of the gov’t to protect them.

 

[choy]

i agree with your whole statement except for the last part

as followers of Christ, we should uplift the poor and help the needy. it is our job and obligation to do so

and as for the topic, does the INC not make this matter worse with the block voting? because they can deliver about 1.5 million votes nationwide every election, they make themselves the targets of these greedy politicians. but on the other side of the coin, perhaps the leaders of the INC also use this perceived influence to get political favors.

 

[ferdie]

i agree with your whole statement except for the last part

as followers of Christ, we should uplift the poor and help the needy. it is our job and obligation to do so

and as for the topic, does the INC not make this matter worse with the block voting? because they can deliver about 1.5 million votes nationwide every election, they make themselves the targets of these greedy politicians. but on the other side of the coin, perhaps the leaders of the INC also use this perceived influence to get political favors.

Yes they complicate this matter. Instead of guiding their faithful to vote conscientiously, they tell them whom to vote. That is why some of these politicians went to Manalo’s funeral to gain some votes.

 

[choy]

it is the ace up their sleeves. politicians are afraid to lose the Iglesia vote. that is why even though the INC is a small minor religion in the Philippines, they have a huge clout