Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

[Jeffrey]

Agreed… and IMO the anchor babies should be deported along with thier parents.

***Pro-life?! ***What does that have to do with not allowing babies of illegals who cross into the country to drop their baby have to do with being *pro life? *No one is forcing the woman to have an abortion. It is simply a fact that the child should NOT be allowed citizenship just because of the fact that the child’s mother made it across the border in time. This is fraud…coming into a country with the sole prupose being to have a child who is therefore an American citizen.thereby making it easier for the whole family to get on the dole. There are many countries across the globe who do not grant automatic citizenship just because the parent is in the country at the time of the birth. The child should retain the citizenship of the mother…

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

What you say is not a “fact” at all. The Constitution says that any one born on our soil and under our jurisdiction is a US citizen. I don’t see any difference between a baby born of an “illegal” or one born of a citizen as that the citizenship of the parents is not the criteria for the citizenship of the baby in this scenario and I don’t see any reason to change our Constitution over it.

An “illegal” may have a child that was conceived in Mexico or conceived in the United States. If born here, the baby is a citizen. Either way the status of the parents is unaffected. Why punish an innocent baby because you want to punish the parents? And, how is punishing an innocent baby Pro-Life?

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Agreed… and IMO the anchor babies should be deported along with thier parents.

Agreed. They are not our responsibility.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Ituyu]

Ituyu;1820473:

Well…there IS a difference. A child born of illegal parents who should not be here should not be granted citizenship just by virtue of the fact that their mother made it across the border in time to pop the child out on US soil. The Consitiution should be amended to put a stop to this practice once and for all.

No there is no difference. A child conceived in Mexico and born here and a child conceived in the United States and born here are both US citizens. Neither birth changes the status of the parents.

I am not choosing to punish a child…that child is the concern of the parents and we have enough innocent children who ARE American citizens that need help.

That child is the concern of the “parents”? Isn’t that a Pro Choice argument? Why is it some of us want the Abortion laws changed? It’s none of our business right? Hmmm, what if both parent’s were legal but not citizens? Or, what if one parent were “illegal” and the other a citizen? Well, if the baby is born here, the baby is a citizen!

 

[pnewton]

Why does charity toward a white child of poor US citizens take precednce over charity toward a poor child born of illegal immigrants?

I am dying to see how this is justified and still maintain a Christian perspective.

 

[Ituyu]

Why does charity toward a white child of poor US citizens take precednce over charity toward a poor child born of illegal immigrants?

I am dying to see how this is justified and still maintain a Christian perspective.

It doesn’t. If the child is born here, it’s a US citizen.

 

[pnewton]

It doesn’t. If the child is born here, it’s a US citizen.

I know this. But it seems some here do not have a very charitable attitude toward these kids because of the parentage. I am waiting to see the distinction that justifies it.

 

[FightingFat]

Very provocative title- inciteful even I would say!

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Why does charity toward a white child of poor US citizens take precednce over charity toward a poor child born of illegal immigrants?

I am dying to see how this is justified and still maintain a Christian perspective.

RESOURCES!!!! We do not have unlimited resources in this country. We have millions of Americans uninsured and that includes children. We
cannot…nor should we be expected to take care of everyone. That is not feasible. This is the United States and an American child should take precedence over an immigrant child…because we do not have the ability to care for them all.

Would we be so well taken care of if we went to Mexico and needed free health care? Hmmm…somehow I doubt it. We surely would be incarcerated if we went there illegally…

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I know this. But it seems some here do not have a very charitable attitude toward these kids because of the parentage. I am waiting to see the distinction that justifies it.

Well…you can sit high and mighty and make all the judgments you care to, but that doesn’t change the fact that children born of illegal parents should not be considered citizens…and I would love to see an amendment to the Consititution regarding that. It will never happen though, because our politicians are cowardly and although they don’t mind alienating their American constituents they don’t want to offend the Hispanic voting bloc.

WE cannot take care of the world’s children when we are not able to fully take care of our own. The distinction is obvious…if you are a citizen…you should come first…if you are here legally…same thing. Here illegally? Sorry…you need to return home and come here through legal channels.

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

BlyssfulDreamer;1820751:

Ituyu;1820473:

That child is the concern of the “parents”? Isn’t that a Pro Choice argument? Why is it some of us want the Abortion laws changed? It’s none of our business right? Hmmm, what if both parent’s were legal but not citizens? Or, what if one parent were “illegal” and the other a citizen? Well, if the baby is born here, the baby is a citizen!

***Of course the child is the concern of the parents. *** They are the ones ultimately responsible for the care and well being of their child. Duh? I never expected anyone to care for my child but myself. How does that have anything at all to do with choice? If they cannot care for their child…adoption would be a good solution. Not the American taxpayer who is overstretched the way it is. As for the child’s parents…the child should be IMO…a citizen of the country its mother is from. That might prevent women from coming into this country just in time to plop out an American citizen.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Ituyu]

Ituyu;1821251:

BlyssfulDreamer;1820751:

***Of course the child is the concern of the parents. ***

They are the ones ultimately responsible for the care and well being of their child. Duh? I never expected anyone to care for my child but myself. How does that have anything at all to do with choice? If they cannot care for their child…adoption would be a good solution. Not the American taxpayer who is overstretched the way it is. As for the child’s parents…the child should be IMO…a citizen of the country its mother is from. That might prevent women from coming into this country just in time to plop out an American citizen.

:heart:Blyss

Well fortunately the Constitution doesn’t agree wtih you. If the child is born here it’s an American citizen. We have safety nets available to help children in need even if they aren’t citizens because Americans recognize that need. Why are you so against some American citizens?

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

BlyssfulDreamer;1822654:

Ituyu;1821251:

Well fortunately the Constitution doesn’t agree wtih you. If the child is born here it’s an American citizen. We have safety nets available to help children in need even if they aren’t citizens because Americans recognize that need. Why are you so against some American citizens?

Well…when the Constitution was written …all those years ago…I doubt our founding fathers had an idea we would be over run with people with their hands out invading this country. I am sure if they had any inkling that we would be in this mess they would have made provisions for it.

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

BlyssfulDreamer;1822654:

Ituyu;1821251:

We have safety nets available to help children in need even if they aren’t citizens because Americans recognize that need. Why are you so against some American citizens?

There is not unlimited resources for safety nets for children born here of LEGAL American parents…let alone children whose parents came here and delivered their child…illegally! I am not against American citizens and I want for American citizens to have any and all help they need. I am also not against children born here of ILLEGAL parents…I just feel they should not be given the “perks” of citizenship…they shouldn’t be thought of as Americans anyway.

:heart:Blyss

 

[pnewton]

It will never happen though, because our politicians are cowardly and although they don’t mind alienating their American constituents they don’t want to offend the Hispanic voting bloc.

We live in democracy so of course such a change would not pass because some want it too. I would not vote for such a ridiculous change and I am as anglo as they come. It just so happens that I am also a Christian and such lack of charity violated the rule of thumb of, “What would Christ do”, at least in the opinion of this one voter. It also violates basic Catholic chartity toward the most poor and needy.

I asked earlier if such a distinction between illegal and citizen in children could be justified from a Christian or Catholic perspective. Anyone care to take a stab?

 

[Ituyu]

I am not against American citizens and I want for American citizens to have any and all help they need. I am also not against children born here of ILLEGAL parents…I just feel they should not be given the “perks” of citizenship…they shouldn’t be thought of as Americans anyway.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

 

[Ituyu]

Ituyu;1824373:

Children born of illegal parents should NOT be considered American citizens. They should have the nationality of the mother. How much plainer do you have to have it put?
:heart:Blyss

It’s just that you also said this:

I am not against American citizens and I want for American citizens to have any and all help they need.

But, all babies born here are currently American citizens. So, you are against American citizens whose parent’s were not here legally. You also feel that a child born of non-citizen parents, even legal ones, should not be citizens, right? And, if the father were a citizen but not the mother, those babies too should not be citizens? Sounds pretty anti-immigrant to me.

 

[Karin]

BlyssfulDreamer;1824783:

It’s just that you also said this:

But, all babies born here are currently American citizens. So, you are against American citizens whose parent’s were not here legally. You also feel that a child born of non-citizen parents, even legal ones, should not be citizens, right? And, if the father were a citizen but not the mother, those babies too should not be citizens? Sounds pretty anti-immigrant to me.

Oh my poor kids …born here in the USA to American father(s) and yet since I am a “green card” holder (meaning here LEGALLY) they should not hold US citizenship?
Guess it is a good thing that they also hold Passports from my Country of Birth and when they turn 18 they can decide which they want to claim for their citizenship:thumbsup:

Oh let me add…I am not from Mexico either,so does this make a difference for my kiddies Blyss??

 

[pro_universal]

RESOURCES!!!! We do not have unlimited resources in this country. We have millions of Americans uninsured and that includes children. We
cannot…nor should we be expected to take care of everyone. That is not feasible. This is the United States and an American child should take precedence over an immigrant child…because we do not have the ability to care for them all.

Children in America are not uninsured because of a lack of resources. This country is more than wealthy enough to provide medical care for every single person, legal and illegal, sitting inside of its borders at this moment. It is most certainly feasible.

Would we be so well taken care of if we went to Mexico and needed free health care? Hmmm…somehow I doubt it. We surely would be incarcerated if we went there illegally…

?Blyss

How exactly would Mexican practice have any impact on how Mexicans who come to America should be treated?

I’m confused as to why this is mentioned so often in immigration debates. What’s the relevance?