I'm a confused atheist

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Open the local directory and see how many masses are offered in your area, go to any one of them any time you like, never let anybody tell you it’s too much, it’s never enough when it comes down to it and having the thirst for more as you just mentioned is so very good!!! This thread is becoming very inspiring big time. 🙂
 
You can go to Mass every day if you want to. I just started going to daily masses a couple of times a week. I love it. It’s so good to be in Jesus’ living presence even though it’s frustrating not to be able to receive the Eucharist yet.

As usemelord said, do just what you’re comfortable with and don’t get overwhelmed by trying to do too much! You can always start out with Mass once or twice a week, and work your way up when you feel the need.
I’m overwhelmed with a lot of things right now. Chemistry mostly. This isn’t overwhelming me at all. Going to Mass is actually a nice break from being constantly stressed over school. 🙂
 
I hope you find the answers and fulfillment you’re looking for! I’m so happy for you and will keep you in my prayers. <3 Good luck with your classes btw! I’m a student too.

God bless 😃
 
Thank you for remembering me today. 🙂 And thanks to everyone here for helping me with all my questions and confusion. I hope asking a few more things is okay.

I noticed Mass isn’t just on Sundays. Is it weird to go more than once a week when I’ve got time? I’d like to, but I’m not sure if you’re only supposed to go once a week or something. It would be a nice way to start off what is sure to be a long and tiring day of studying (but at least I get to study at the museum).

Secondly, if it’s okay to go more than once a week, I’m still confused. The church a few blocks from the train station has Mass at 8am, which says Celebration of The Eucharist. A different one is at 8:10am and it says Liturgy of the Hours. What is the difference? Then there’s a whole other thing that says St. Jude devotions. What does that mean?

Ack, and another question! Am I supposed to wear a skirt? For some reason I thought I was supposed to or something. I will either way since I like wearing skirts, but I’m just curious.
The minimum requirement for attending Mass is at least each Sunday and on Holy Days of Obligation. More often than that is perfectly acceptable if you want to or can (Catechism n. 1389). However, according to the answer to a question in the Ask An Apologist forum you are limited to receiving Communion twice in one day.
 
The minimum requirement for attending Mass is at least each Sunday and on Holy Days of Obligation. More often than that is perfectly acceptable if you want to or can (Catechism n. 1389). However, according to the answer to a question in the Ask An Apologist forum you are limited to receiving Communion twice in one day.
And Non-Catholics cannot receive Communion until they are received into full communion with the Church through the Sacrament of Confirmation.
 
The minimum requirement for attending Mass is at least each Sunday and on Holy Days of Obligation. More often than that is perfectly acceptable if you want to or can (Catechism n. 1389). However, according to the answer to a question in the Ask An Apologist forum you are limited to receiving Communion twice in one day.
Pi314, I think I jumped the gun in the information I just gave you about Mass. I forgot to ask you if you have been baptized and had Confirmation yet. Communion in the Catholic Church is limited to people who are full members of the Catholic Church and must “be in the state of grace.” The requirement for that is being free of any unconfessed mortal sin. If you have not been baptized and confirmed you can still attend Mass as often as you choose to and ask the priest for a blessing instead of taking Communion. Apologies for any conversion I may have caused you and I sincerely hope I haven’t caused you any problems or uncertainties. My prayers and hopes go with you.
 
If you have not been baptized and confirmed you can still attend Mass as often as you choose to and ask the priest for a blessing instead of taking Communion. Apologies for any conversion I may have caused you and I sincerely hope I haven’t caused you any problems or uncertainties. My prayers and hopes go with you.
Don’t apologize for “any conversion” you’ve caused, conversion is a good thing! 😛 But for confusion, you may apologize. 😃

Just to add, you MAY but do not have to go up to the priest for a blessing during communion. I have done so but usually I feel more comfortable staying in the pew, and at the church I go to there are almost always some other people who stay in the pew for whatever reason. Whatever you feel most comfortable with is fine.
 
Pi314, I think we are pretty much in the same boat. I, as well, have been an atheist for most of my live, and now, for some reason, I had a sudden change of heart.

I have always been in love with roman catholic church architecture, and the local cathedral or basilica would be the first thing I went to visit when I was in a foreign city. But I always looked at it as if it were a mere tourist attraction, a great work of skilled men, a work of art, a beautiful building with nice sculptures and paintings and also a historical site.

Then, one day, not so long ago, I simply felt, out of the blue, the need to enter my local church, only this time, I would enter it and look at it as a place of worship. A couple days later I entered again, during Mass, and stayed for a while in a pew in the back. A week after that I went again, and stayed during the whole Sunday Mass. Right now I am seriously considering converting.

It feels almost scary how this happened, because I’ve loathed religion for so long - but somehow it doesn’t feel like hipocrisy, it feels right, as if I’ve been waiting for this. It’s really hard to describe, but I’m definetely going along and I’ll see where this leads.

As for your concerns about your friends:
Most of my friends are also atheists. I have yet to talk to most of them about my new found beliefs, and I’m certain that it will raise some eyebrows.

BUT. They are my friends, not because they are atheists, but because they are good people. And good people will never make fun of something they realize is important for a friend.

I hope and believe that will be your case too.

Peace.
 
Erethorn, I don’t know how many, if any, of the pages of responses to this thread you’ve read, but I’m sure I speak on behalf of all the contributors when I say that God will lead you where you need to go as long as you put your trust and faith in Him. I encouraged Pi314 in an earlier post to go at his own comfortable pace on this journey and don’t get too overwhelmed at how much there is to learn about the history and tradition of the Catholic Church. Also, remember that there have been countless atheists and agnostics who have preceded you on the path toward conversion. As a convert of almost five years myself, there were a few atheists in my RCIA class, and a couple more who served on the Core as instructors and, although I was not an atheist myself, these people were highly inspirational to me because they let go of their foolish intellectual pride and turned their lives over to God. I just want to let you know, too, that you will be in the prayers of everyone who has participated in this thread. May you be receptive to what God has in store for you.
 
usemelord, thank you for your thoughts.

I’ve read the whole thread, and many more on these boards.

For the first time in my life as a internet-boards user, I feel at a loss as to what to say. I feel the need to say a lot of things, to ask for even more things, and also I feel something like stage fright, or shyness, and I keep typing things and deleting them, which is unusual for me.

Once again, thank you.
 
Erethorn, say whatever is on your mind. Nobody knows who you are or where you live, but we have one thing in common which is to grow our faith, increase our love for God and the Church, and lift each other up in all things—the good, bad and the ugly. I look forward to this ongoing “conversation.” If you feel a need to ask anyone for suggestions about anything whatsoever, please don’t hesitate, such as reading material, etc. Again, thank you for your kind words.
 
First off, this might be in the wrong forum. I’m guessing. :\

So, I’m an atheist, have been for years. Suddenly the whole atheism thing isn’t feeling right. I feel like I’m missing something, but I can’t put my finger on what (I got into a good school, I love my job, I have wonderful friends). But it’s not something I can talk about to much of anyone. All my friends are atheists. All the professors I’m close to (and usually talk to) are atheists too. Anyone I talked to, if they know me, would think I’m a crazy hypocrite.
I guess what’s bugging me is this interest in God, and Catholicism specifically, having been an atheist for so long. I don’t like it when I don’t have a logical explanation for something. I don’t have an explanation for this. And it’s not like it’s been one day, it’s been almost a year of feeling like this. Seriously, I woke up one morning last December and thought “I should be a nun”. Which is ridiculous of course since I’m an atheist, and that’s like the extreme end of religion. But I can’t get that line of thinking out of my head.
I looked into becoming a Catholic, but then I always stop short, because everyone I know would think I’m a nutty hypocrite to change my mind like that.
I don’t even know what I’m talking about really. Just wanted to get it out… I’m just all confused. I kind of want to just go back to being confident and happy in my non-belief. It was easier.
Hm, I remember when God called me it all started with curiosity. of what that bible said. There isn’t anything “illogical” about believing in God. Do you believe in Him to explain something you can’t? No? Exactly. No one really believes for that reason. Of course, that’s the argument (the cosmological argument) that most Christians use. I’ve always understood God as someone who plays the role of fate. Don’t worry about what anyone thinks. Most of my friends are suprisingly atheist. And yes, they do make fun of me and my faith all the time. 😦
It’s either you’re a child of God or you’re not.

“The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he does not understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” -1st Corinthians 2:14
 
I’ve followed this thread through and I pray for you in your continued journey.

Just wait until you get to know Mary, the Mother of God, your journey will get even more interesting. 🙂
 
Pi314, I think we are pretty much in the same boat. I, as well, have been an atheist for most of my live, and now, for some reason, I had a sudden change of heart.

I have always been in love with roman catholic church architecture, and the local cathedral or basilica would be the first thing I went to visit when I was in a foreign city. But I always looked at it as if it were a mere tourist attraction, a great work of skilled men, a work of art, a beautiful building with nice sculptures and paintings and also a historical site.

Then, one day, not so long ago, I simply felt, out of the blue, the need to enter my local church, only this time, I would enter it and look at it as a place of worship. A couple days later I entered again, during Mass, and stayed for a while in a pew in the back. A week after that I went again, and stayed during the whole Sunday Mass. Right now I am seriously considering converting.

It feels almost scary how this happened, because I’ve loathed religion for so long - but somehow it doesn’t feel like hipocrisy, it feels right, as if I’ve been waiting for this. It’s really hard to describe, but I’m definetely going along and I’ll see where this leads.

As for your concerns about your friends:
Most of my friends are also atheists. I have yet to talk to most of them about my new found beliefs, and I’m certain that it will raise some eyebrows.

BUT. They are my friends, not because they are atheists, but because they are good people. And good people will never make fun of something they realize is important for a friend.

I hope and believe that will be your case too.

Peace.
Hi Erethorn! 🙂 I think that is wonderful. I’ve heard so many stories like this from people! where they just felt like entering a church. I used to be agnostic and it was definitely quite a journey becoming Catholic! When I told my friends, some thought it was cool, others disagreed, others didnt care… I lost some friends, gained others, but many of my old friends are still friends today. Even if we disagree on the existence of God, we still have a great time together! I agree with you that a true friend would not make fun of something that’s important to their friend (even if they disagree with it).
Blessings on your journey 🙂
and feel free to ask anything at these forums! I’ve asked soo many questions during my conversion, and people have been really helpful.

(btw, I just have to ask 😃 your name sounds like something from the Lord of the Rings books… do you by any chance read Tolkien? 😉 just wondering!)
 
Erethorn, say whatever is on your mind. Nobody knows who you are or where you live, but we have one thing in common which is to grow our faith, increase our love for God and the Church, and lift each other up in all things—the good, bad and the ugly. I look forward to this ongoing “conversation.” If you feel a need to ask anyone for suggestions about anything whatsoever, please don’t hesitate, such as reading material, etc. Again, thank you for your kind words.
Ok. I will try to let out as much as I can.

First of all, I’m 33 years old, so my belief system has had a lot of time to “shape up”. In other words, my beliefs are quite strong.

Second, I am quite knowledgeable in religious matters; I have a degree in Philosophy and Logic, and I’ve been teaching these in high school for 5 years; I’ve studied and thought the teachings of both St. Augustine, St. Thomas of Aquinas and other religious figures. I love history and I know (or thought I knew) a lot about the history of different religions and about how those religions have shaped up the world we live in. What I mean to say is that I consider myself as intellectualy accomplished, and I have great respect for reason, doubt - the hallmark of philosophy - and science.

Third, I’ve been, all of my life, an outspoken atheist. I’ve rejected and loathed religion and religious people on both rational and moral grounds. You might call me a Dawkins poster boy.

My attitude towards religious people, men and women I saw kneeling in church or distributing religious literature was one, not of pity, not of avoidance, but of outright hate.
I used to consider myself superior to them. I considered the religious organizations to have two kinds of members - the shrewd, immoral and profiteering leaders, in the words of Bill Maher - “intellectual slaveholders” - who used manipulation of the worst sort to get money and power, and the dumb “sheep”, the vast majority of them so stupid that they deserved no better than to be taken advantage of.

In short, I considered religion a plague.

So, this is my background. I’m sorry if any of the above have offended anyone, it’s simply the truth, that’s who I was/am.

So, where do I stand now ? For the last few months, I find those atheistic beliefs, which I thought stood at the core of my being, my intellectual and moral system, starting to shatter.

And I can find no good reason. Why do I feel the need to go to Mass ? To pray ? To read and meditate on the Bible ? To read this forum ? To do a number of things I considered the trademark of inferior people ? And WHY do I feel good at Mass ? Why do I feel good when I think of Jesus ? Why do I feel so strongly that those things are true ?

Of course, one possible answer is that those things ARE true. If so, then I have started down a wonderful path. Later edit - and, that I will have a lot to atone for…
But what if it’s all an illusion ? What if I’m a doctor who, after studying alcoholics all his life, finally starts to drink and becomes one ?

On one hand, I feel that reason. as I love and cherish it, is not incompatible with faith. On the other hand, I fear that by embracing faith, I might be giving up reason and that my feeling is just a drug, or a cover up, just like the alcoholic deludes himself by claiming “I can quit whenever I want”.

I just don’t know. But I want so bad to believe. I want it to be true. It has to be. It’s too good to not be true. That’s how I feel now.

Please, pray for me. If it’s all true, it will surely be of help. If not, it doesn’t matter. I thank you for reading this, regardless.

Later edit - I’ve re read my post and I feel the need to apologize again for what I have described as my previous convictions, as they are certainly offensive for religious people.

I am deeply sorry, and I no longer hold those beliefs.
 
Erethorn, since you’ve studied history and religion, I’m sure you know the Catholic Church respects reason and intellectual thought, and there are many Catholic Saints who were knowledgeable about philosophy, etc, for example St Thomas Acquinas 🙂

when I read your post, I thought of CS Lewis. He used to be an atheist and even wrote articles against religion. But eventually, he became a Christian and wrote apologetics books. Have you ever heard of / read “Mere Christianity”? It’s one of his books. (He also wrote the Narnia series, but many don’t know that he wrote books for adults too.)

I know many people who have been in this same situation… even people in my family; who used to hate religion, and are now devoted Christians.

As a Christian, I believe that your unexplainable desire for faith and the Mass, shows that God is drawing you to Him. I began to feel drawn to Catholicism for an unknown reason too…I couldn’t explain it. I disagreed with many aspects of Catholicism, at that time, so it was very puzzling for me. It’s understandable that you fear it’s all an illusion… and that you’d have to give up reason for a ‘feeling’. I want to encourage you that you WON’T have to give up reason, not at all. Feelings aren’t as emphasized in Christianity as they seem to be. The core of our faith lies in our choices. God can however USE feelings to help us. I can speak for myself… once I discovered faith, I felt like my eyes were opened. I began to see the world in a new way… and as a science student, I don’t feel I have to be unintellectual. God gave us our reason, and it’s one of the ways we can discover Him. But sometimes, when our minds have been trained to think in an atheistic way, God can use other ways, like feelings 🙂 which is where you might be right now. If you continue on this road, your thoughts would eventually change too, but you won’t become less intellectual, or naive, or anything like that. You’d just see the world with God in it, as opposed to seeing it without Him. It will change how you see many other things, but in a good way.

If you’re ready, try praying to God. It doesn’t have to be anything fancy. He understands all prayers, even something simple like “God I don’t know if You’re there, but if You are, please help me understand more about You and to believe.”

God bless
 
Thank you.

And yes, by the way, my e-name is simply Arathorn (the father of Aragorn, from LOTR), with e’s instead of a’s 🙂

I’m a huge fan of Tolkien, and the thought that a fellow who wrote something so great was also a devout Catholic is of great help.

God bless.
 
that’s great 😃

I love Tolkien’s books and have been reading them for many years. I was surprised to find out that Tolkien was a devout Catholic, and went to Mass daily! 🙂 though I don’t know why I was suprised. He’s a great author and it’s cool how him and CS Lewis were friends.

God bless
 
Erethorn, congrats on your calling, it is what it is and there is no denying it. The struggle you are facing is normal, you are having to re-evaluate your core fundamental beliefs and you will find in the end, you aren’t throwing much of it away, you are adding onto it for a fuller understanding of your own background, which in the end, will enhance what you already know.

Also understand, the past you have conveyed will soon melt away into obvlvian, you will not be held accountable for those actions, and it’s especially good to have converts from your very background, for you will be a living testimony about our Lord, proclaiming to those with a similar past, that it’s never too late, they are never too far away from God, and he’s waiting with open arms to embrace them into his kingdom.

You should thank your wife and the prayer warriors she has employed for your conversion, you are experiencing the power of prayer in it’s finest form.

Always remember in the Lords prayer, “Forgive us our sins as we forgive those that sin against us” do it and you are free in the here and now…

You have a path that’s ahead of you filled with pain and suffering, also know it’s not all about feeling good, it’s not all about fitting in, and it’s not like true believers avoid turmoil, but they endure it with God’s grace and peace, this is the defining difference.

Also, something I wanted to convey to you, this is something you and I can relate with. You feel kind of odd going from non belief, to now participating in mass, this will subside. I felt kind of odd being called to pray at Mary’s shrine, then kind of odd praying before and after mass silently because nobody else was doing it, still, I felt called to do this and instead of simply doing what everybody else was, I do so very regularly and most of the time, still entirely alone. Be happy you have someone that is with you during this, that support is golden.
 
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