I'm an active homosexual, am I destined to hell?

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That’s a silly argument and you know it. Many heterosexuals manage to keep in their pants for years before marriage, and many are able to stay celibate their whole lives. We are rational beings; just because we have innate urges (I want to have sex with the pretty girl on the bus) does not mean we have to act on them. There is, therefore neither anything wrong with mother nature or the Bible.

Your basic starting point simply gives humans less credit than they deserve (in my opinion).
my friend, you are missing the point. yes you can keep your pants on, but are you condemned for having sex with your wife? for acting out your basic instincts within the confines of state laws.

same thing with homosexuals. if god had given them such basic instincts and the state allows gay marriage, why should anybody condemn such an act? all for the sake of whats written in a book that is fast getting obsolete?

the gay debate is all about religious bias.
 
my friend, you are missing the point. yes you can keep your pants on, but are you condemned for having sex with your wife? for acting out your basic instincts within the confines of state laws.

same thing with homosexuals. if god had given them such basic instincts and the state allows gay marriage, why should anybody condemn such an act? all for the sake of whats written in a book that is fast getting obsolete?

the gay debate is all about religious bias.
State laws are essentially irrelevant to this debate; another red herring. The state allows thousands of children to be aborted every year; its secular legality has no bearing on its morality.

I am not going to embark on a lengthy discussion as to why we have instincts that lead us sinful behavior (the ol’ 'why would God allow…" gambit). We obviously have fundamentally different starting assumptions concerning morality.
 
alcholism in no way a core component of human life. sexuality is. its basic instincts, man! 😃
And here is a very key point. As Catholics, we believe very strongly in the Grace of God.

According to Catholic (and 95% of other Christian belief), our basic instincts are disordered as a result of sin. The only way to be free of sin and it’s effects is God’s Grace, which He is more than willing to provide.

And so, whether one’s instincts direct them toward sexual relations with members of the same sex, towards eating in gross excess, or towards overly aggressive and violent behavior or anything else, the solution is in God’s Grace, which will enable each of us to say no to our instincts and cease to be slaves to them.

And this is what it is really all about - being slaves or not being slaves. Individual men and civilizations have fought and died over the right to be free from slavery, for to be without control of one’s own self is the most degrading of human experiences. Yet we are all slaves to sin, all of us utterlly unable to be in control of ourselves when it comes to so many things.

The world has no answer. To the world, those whose instincts direct them towards sex with small children have no hope. Psychology now suggests that there may be no cure for these people. Society treats them as utter outcasts with no hope for living happy or meaningful lives, relegating them to lives of lonliness, rejection, and isolation.

The sexuality of a pedophile is as much a core part of his or her life as the sexuality of a homosexual or a heterosexual or of any other sort of “sexual” there may be. We cannot embrace the living out of homosexuality as something that is simply in the genes of homosexuals and yet reject the living out of pedophilia though it may be in the genes of pedophiles. Yet we do just this, condemning pedophiles even to prison for what is simply “in their genes,” their “basic instincs.”

The world has no answer for these problems. Yet they are very real problems.

Christ has the answer, and it is in His Passion and Death and the Grace which flows from this. Christ rescues us from the slavery to our genes and to anything else. And so if homosexuality is indeed in the genes of some, Christ can rescue those souls from that slavery.

I myself was once utterly unable to cease masturbating. It was just as much instinct as it is for Teen4Christ or anyone else. This was not something that was a choice for me. I was forced to do it by the slavery of my desires and of my sexual urges. Yet through Grace, I escaped. And I can attest that it is far greater a freedom to be able to say no when once I could only say yes, than it was to be able to say yes at any time. And, consequently, from reading Teen4Christ’s posts, it sounds as though he, too, is in a similarly inescapable situation.

The world has no answer. If we reject the teachings of Christ on this matter, then we must admit that we are all slaves and have no recourse. There will be no President Lincoln to proclaim us emancipated. And so we must either accept all the requirements of our instincts, or be forced to play God ourselves, hypocritically condemning some and acquitting others.

The argument that any action must be acceptable because it is in our genes, our instincts, or any other aspect of nature is simply an argument that we live in a world with no hope, and a world in which we are all even now condemned on earth to lives of misery, slavery, victimhood, and hypocrisy.

The argument that in Christ is found the freedom from this slavery is on attested to by the lives of countless men, women, and young people who live out lives of freedom from their instincts where others are bound to dwell in the mire. I would ask you to humbly consider this.
 
alcholism in no way a core component of human life. sexuality is. its basic instincts, man! 😃
Would you agree that alcholism is an attribute of a core component of human life that we can name appetite for liquids? In the same way I would propose that homosexuality is an attribute of human sexuality. In the the first case you have acknowledged that alcoholism is a disorder of that appetite component. So why is so hard to see that homosexuality is a disorder of the sexuality component?
 
And here is a very key point. As Catholics, we believe very strongly in the Grace of God.

According to Catholic (and 95% of other Christian belief), our basic instincts are disordered as a result of sin. The only way to be free of sin and it’s effects is God’s Grace, which He is more than willing to provide.

And so, whether one’s instincts direct them toward sexual relations with members of the same sex, towards eating in gross excess, or towards overly aggressive and violent behavior or anything else, the solution is in God’s Grace, which will enable each of us to say no to our instincts and cease to be slaves to them.

And this is what it is really all about - being slaves or not being slaves. Individual men and civilizations have fought and died over the right to be free from slavery, for to be without control of one’s own self is the most degrading of human experiences. Yet we are all slaves to sin, all of us utterlly unable to be in control of ourselves when it comes to so many things.

The world has no answer. To the world, those whose instincts direct them towards sex with small children have no hope. Psychology now suggests that there may be no cure for these people. Society treats them as utter outcasts with no hope for living happy or meaningful lives, relegating them to lives of lonliness, rejection, and isolation.

The sexuality of a pedophile is as much a core part of his or her life as the sexuality of a homosexual or a heterosexual or of any other sort of “sexual” there may be. We cannot embrace the living out of homosexuality as something that is simply in the genes of homosexuals and yet reject the living out of pedophilia though it may be in the genes of pedophiles. Yet we do just this, condemning pedophiles even to prison for what is simply “in their genes,” their “basic instincs.”

The world has no answer for these problems. Yet they are very real problems.

Christ has the answer, and it is in His Passion and Death and the Grace which flows from this. Christ rescues us from the slavery to our genes and to anything else. And so if homosexuality is indeed in the genes of some, Christ can rescue those souls from that slavery.

I myself was once utterly unable to cease masturbating. It was just as much instinct as it is for Teen4Christ or anyone else. This was not something that was a choice for me. I was forced to do it by the slavery of my desires and of my sexual urges. Yet through Grace, I escaped. And I can attest that it is far greater a freedom to be able to say no when once I could only say yes, than it was to be able to say yes at any time. And, consequently, from reading Teen4Christ’s posts, it sounds as though he, too, is in a similarly inescapable situation.

The world has no answer. If we reject the teachings of Christ on this matter, then we must admit that we are all slaves and have no recourse. There will be no President Lincoln to proclaim us emancipated. And so we must either accept all the requirements of our instincts, or be forced to play God ourselves, hypocritically condemning some and acquitting others.

The argument that any action must be acceptable because it is in our genes, our instincts, or any other aspect of nature is simply an argument that we live in a world with no hope, and a world in which we are all even now condemned on earth to lives of misery, slavery, victimhood, and hypocrisy.

The argument that in Christ is found the freedom from this slavery is on attested to by the lives of countless men, women, and young people who live out lives of freedom from their instincts where others are bound to dwell in the mire. I would ask you to humbly consider this.
Very well put, thank you!
 
State laws are essentially irrelevant to this debate; another red herring. The state allows thousands of children to be aborted every year; its secular legality has no bearing on its morality.
i only mentioned it to imply sex within marriage. to get all that chastity thingie out of the way.
 
i only mentioned it to imply sex within marriage. to get all that chastity thingie out of the way.
Sorry, doesn’t work. You are assuming a fundamentally different definition of chastity. State law could legalize gay “marriage”, polygamous “marriage”, bestial “marriage”, etc…they still would not be chaste (assuming of course that the individuals in such unions engaged in sexual acts), because they would not be marriage.

Again, state laws (and thus state definitions) are irrelevant to the topic.
 
I’m not catholic anymore, i’m non-denominational. Yes, I believe God loves all and wouldn’t send someone to hell for their orientation, I don’t know. It’s a good username, I believe in Christ, I worship christ, I’ve read his word many times.
I am sorry to hear you are not attending Catholic Church services now, I hope you return. I am also sorry to read some of the posting against you they do not seem Christian. I ask you to remember that all you have said is consistant wth the Roman Catholic Church teachings. I once read those who hate homosexuals are suppressed homosexuals, I think that is true. There is always room in the pew and you are always welcome in the Church
 
I am sorry to hear you are not attending Catholic Church services now, I hope you return. I am also sorry to read some of the posting against you they do not seem Christian. I ask you to remember that all you have said is consistant wth the Roman Catholic Church teachings. I once read those who hate homosexuals are suppressed homosexuals, I think that is true. There is always room in the pew and you are always welcome in the Church
I’ve been reading this thread and I agree with you, Texas Roofer. Some of the posters here appear to be treating the OP in an un-Christian manner. Treating him like this will not bring him any closer to repentance, and I think it’s sad.

To the OP: I’m also sorry you’ve left the Catholic Church. Being an active homosexual is a sin, the Bible and the Church clearly states so. God intended for man and woman to be united in marriage and to have a sexually fulfilling relationship within the confines of marriage. I’m not going to pretend to understand everything you’re going through and the pain you’ve experienced as a result, but I will be praying for you. Please consider contacting Courage or speaking with a priest. Whatever you tell the priest is confidential. God bless.
 
The only way to be free of sin and it’s effects is God’s Grace, which He is more than willing to provide.
…more than willing to provide after you are dead. otherwise, alive -even priests can succomb to their sexual urges.
Yet we do just this, condemning pedophiles even to prison for what is simply “in their genes,” their “basic instincs.”
isnt it that mary was only around 14 when she got pregnant? 😃 the point is, in the olden days people married young. even prophet Mohammad married a 9yr old girl. pedophilia is all about culture, not science.
 
procreation is merely a result. the instinct itself is the sexual act, the lust.
No it’s to procreate and continue one’s lineage.

That why a male lion will kill the cubs of a female he intends to mate with that are not his.
 
The only way to be free of sin and it’s effects is God’s Grace, which He is more than willing to provide.
…more than willing to provide after you are dead. otherwise, alive -even priests can succomb to their sexual urges.
Yet we do just this, condemning pedophiles even to prison for what is simply “in their genes,” their “basic instincs.”
Isnt it that mary was only around 14 when she got pregnant? 😃 the point is, in the olden days people married young. even prophet Mohammad married a 9yr old girl. pedophilia is all about culture, not science.
 
No it’s to procreate and continue one’s lineage.

That why a male lion will kill the cubs of a female he intends to mate with that are not his.
from webster:

Main Entry: **in·stinct **

1: a natural or inherent aptitude, impulse, or capacity
2 a: a largely inheritable and unalterable tendency of an organism to make a complex and specific response to environmental stimuli without involving reason b: behavior that is mediated by reactions below the conscious level

Main Entry: **pro·cre·ate **

: to beget or bring forth (offspring) : propagate
intransitive verb
: to beget or bring forth offspring : reproduce

is bringing forth an offspring a form of unconscious response?

what about lust?
 
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…more than willing to provide after you are dead. otherwise, alive -even priests can succomb to their sexual urges.
Even priests are able to reject God’s Grace. My point is that apart from God’s Grace, there is no way to resist our urges.

For example, I am a person who fought for 6 years to stop masturbating and was unable to last more than a few days. The very day I became Catholic, I stopped cold turkey and did not succumb for nearly two years. This was not a case of anything other than the extraordinary Grace of God.

And there are countless others who in even greater ways show forth this profound truth. Your argument does not account for these persons.
isnt it that mary was only around 14 when she got pregnant? the point is, in the olden days people married young. even prophet Mohammad married a 9yr old girl. pedophilia is all about culture, not science.
Ahh, but science has in now way shown that homosexuality is about anything other than culture, either. To my knowledge, the scientific evidence that homosexuality is in the genes is scantly tiny. Unfortunately, my memory does not serve me well enough to provide more specific details. In any case, I am fairly certain that the research in favor of “nurture” rather than “nature” being primary in the homosexual orientation is at least as common as that supporting nature.

In other words, the proverbial jury is very far from having decided this particular issue, and thus to make this statement concerning pedophilia is unsound at best and disingenuous at worst.
 
No it’s to procreate and continue one’s lineage.

That why a male lion will kill the cubs of a female he intends to mate with that are not his.
From webster:

Main Entry: **in·stinct **

1: a natural or inherent aptitude, impulse, or capacity
2 a: a largely inheritable and unalterable tendency of an organism to make a complex and specific response to environmental stimuli without involving reason b: behavior that is mediated by reactions below the conscious level

Main Entry: **pro·cre·ate **

: to beget or bring forth (offspring) : propagate
intransitive verb
: to beget or bring forth offspring : reproduce

is bringing forth an offspring a form of unconscious response?

what about lust?
 
from webster:

Main Entry: **in·stinct **

1: a natural or inherent aptitude, impulse, or capacity

2 a: a largely inheritable and unalterable tendency of an organism to make a complex and specific response to environmental stimuli without involving reason b: behavior that is mediated by reactions below the conscious level

Main Entry: **pro·cre·ate **

: to beget or bring forth (offspring) : propagate

intransitive verb

: to beget or bring forth offspring : reproduce
is bringing forth an offspring a form of unconscious response?

what about lust?
If it was just lust why doesn’t the lion just mate with the lioness and be done with it? Why kill her offspring from another mate?
 
if same sex attraction is in the genes then its time to scrap your bible which subjectively condemns homosexual acts. for how can you blame a person that acts out the very core nature that God has given him? there is a conflict here, which is wrong mother nature or that bundle of contradictions called the bible?
First off epigenetics may play a part. In other words lifestyle and environment can have a behavioall effect.

However, if someone has a pedophilia orientation how can we blame them? 😦

What we can do and have done is make laws prohibiting behavior that society deems harmful to the common good. We can also follow and have done so in the past and follow God’s laws.
 
If it was just lust why doesn’t the lion just mate with the lioness and be done with it? Why kill her offspring from another mate?
its because they are lions.

they have instincts that are common to other mammals as well as instincts that are unique to lions only.
 
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