I'm an active homosexual, am I destined to hell?

[wanner47]

Would you please cite a Catholic teach which denies him the right to his opinion, or a Church teaching which tells us to badger him concern his selection.

When he is banded from the Church, I will have no need for the Church either!!!

Um, you do understand that the purpose of an Internet forum is discussion, right? And that Teen4Christ STARTED A THREAD with the intent of discussing his homosexuality?

He is not banned from the Church, and no one ever said that he was. Sadly, he has made the decision to leave it.

 

[marty30]

Would you please cite a Catholic teach which denies him the right to his opinion, or a Church teaching which tells us to badger him concern his selection.

When he is banded from the Church, I will have no need for the Church either!!!

I’m asuming you didn’t read my post earlier from The Chatichsim Of The Catholic Church
Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

No ones trying to bash him. WE only speak the truth that the church teaches. If your kid was standing in the middle of the road and a big truck was seconds from hitting him and killing him and you told him to move because the truck would kill him and he refused to move because in his opinion the truck was not going to hit him or kill him what would you do or say, “OK son it’s your opinion do what you want”. I know I would do and say everything I could to save him out of love. Loving some one isn’t always telling them what they want to here, thats people pleasing.

 

[Teen4Christ]

I said it was a brainwashing group before I checked the site, sorry for my ignorance.

 

[Teen4Christ]

Um, you do understand that the purpose of an Internet forum is discussion, right? And that Teen4Christ STARTED A THREAD with the intent of discussing his homosexuality?

He is not banned from the Church, and no one ever said that he was. Sadly, he has made the decision to leave it.

Yes, I’m not banned from the church. But I probably would be if I went to it at the moment(is wearing pink nail polish


Once again, thank you to everyone who posted in this thread, you have given me alot to think about.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

I said it was a brainwashing group before I checked the site, sorry for my ignorance.

Not a problem Teen.

 

[marty30]

Teen you are in my prayers and by the way if no one told you they loved you, I do. You are a child of God and my brother in Christ you deserve to be a happy and whole. Don’t settle for less when you can have the best.

Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

By all means have all the opinions you want.

Thank you may Teen4Christ have opinions too?

And as to badgering…please!

I would ask to please stop?

I was only pointing out his view on COURAGE and then since he had the wrong idea of what they where I went on to show him what they actually are all about!
Oh and as a side note, I am not a closet homosexual, I do believe what the church teaches about homosexual acts and people (I dislike the acts not the person !

I would ask you at a date much later than today re-read your posts. (maybe post 96) Did you laugh at him(post 113)? Did you say has a reading comprehension problem(post 110)? did you imply he is a hypocrite?(like post 99) how about post 62 was it kind? Was post 88 helpful?

Who said he is banned from the Church??

It would be easy to debate whether you spoke harsh of him or homosexuals however such a debate would be void of Church teachings, so please post Church teachings -thank you

 

[LCMS_No_More]

It dosen’t seem like a brainwashing group(which most "ex-gay"ministries are)

Courage is most certainly NOT an “ex-gay” ministry as its goal is not to change one’s sexual orientation but to provide support in living a chaste, Christian life.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

Thank you may Teen4Christ have opinions too?

Sure he can. But does that mean I have to agree with them especially when they blatantly go against Christ and his Church?

I would ask you at a date much later than today re-read your posts. (maybe post 96)

Re-read that one…oops my bad.

Did you laugh at him(post 113)?

NOPE, laugh at his comment (But I do believe if two men are married it’s ok,). not at him

Did you say has a reading comprehension problem(post 110)?

Yup. In light of him professing to be a Christian and being shown that anal/oral/homosexual sex acts where a sin.

did you imply he is a hypocrite?(like post 99) how about post 62 was it kind? Was post 88 helpful?

POST 99, nope. Is having anal oral sex with another man (if you are a man) following the teachings of Christ?
Post 62, just quoting him.
What about post 88?

It would be easy to debate whether you spoke harsh of him or homosexuals however such a debate would be void of Church teachings, so please post Church teachings -thank you

I have as have others. On this thread and on others. And what does this have to do with your comment about him being BANNED from the Church?
I never said he was and no one else did either. It was his choice to leave the Church, but he is always welcome to come back!

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Yes, I’m not banned from the church. But I probably would be if I went to it at the moment(is wearing pink nail polish

It’s not pink, it’s rose.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Um, you do understand that the purpose of an Internet forum is discussion, right? And that Teen4Christ STARTED A THREAD with the intent of discussing his homosexuality?

I was with you during the first part however this thread is titled " I’m an active homosexual, am I destined to hell?" So Church teaching regard sins and their outcome would seem relative, however why you feel the subject should change to his personal sex habits are beyond me. Do you attend confession? I ask because many subjects come up in confession and the Priest has never told to be specific on my sex habits, so why would I have a need to treat him differently? In fact the term “I’m an active homosexual” would seem to suffice for citing all relative catholic teachings.

He is not banned from the Church, and no one ever said that he was. Sadly, he has made the decision to leave it.

Yes it is sad, if the practices common to this thread become common to the Church it will no longer be the Catholic Church, it would be the Church of men.

 

[marty30]

Would you please cite a Catholic teach which denies him the right to his opinion, or a Church teaching which tells us to badger him concern his selection.

When he is banded from the Church, I will have no need for the Church either!!!

I see you only like to pick on certain people in this thread and yet you won’t answer any questions or respond to other post. The way I see it your the one doing the badgering. Teen asked a question with the opening of the thread and so far every one has given there answer according to the churches teachings whethjer it was word for word or not, but you just seem to want to accuse others of badgering. Again if any one is badgering it is you my friend.

 

[marty30]

I am sorry to hear you are not attending Catholic Church services now, I hope you return. I am also sorry to read some of the posting against you they do not seem Christian. I ask you to remember that all you have said is consistant wth the Roman Catholic Church teachings. I once read those who hate homosexuals are suppressed homosexuals, I think that is true. There is always room in the pew and you are always welcome in the Church

I have a question for you Texas. Do you agree with the churches teachings on homosexuality?

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

TEEN,

In case you missed it on this thread and on the others. Here is the Churches teaching regarding homosexuals and homosexual acts.
These are taken for the CCC
Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

And from the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church;
487. What responsibility do human persons have in regard to their own sexual identity?

2331-2336
2392-2393

God has created human beings as male and female, equal in personal dignity, and has called them to a vocation of love and of communion. Everyone should accept his or her identity as male or female, recognizing its importance for the whole of the person, its specificity and complementarity.
488. What is chastity?

2337-2338

Chastity means the positive integration of sexuality within the person. Sexuality becomes truly human when it is integrated in a correct way into the relationship of one person to another. Chastity is a moral virtue, a gift of God, a grace, and a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

1. What is involved in the virtue of chastity?

2339-2341

The virtue of chastity involves an apprenticeship in self-mastery as an expression of human freedom directed towards self-giving. An integral and continuing formation, which is brought about in stages, is necessary to achieve this goal.

1. What are the means that aid the living of chastity?

2340-2347

There are many means at one’s disposal: the grace of God, the help of the sacraments, prayer, self-knowledge, the practice of an asceticism adapted to various situations, the exercise of the moral virtues, especially the virtue of temperance which seeks to have the passions guided by reason.

1. In what way is everyone called to live chastity?

2348-2350
2394

As followers of Christ, the model of all chastity, all the baptised are called to live chastely in keeping with their particular states of life. Some profess virginity or consecrated celibacy which enables them to give themselves to God alone with an undivided heart in a remarkable manner. Others, if they are married live in conjugal chastity, or if unmarried practise chastity in continence.

1. What are the principal sins against chastity?

2351-2359
2396

Grave sins against chastity differ according to their object: adultery, masturbation, fornication, pornography, prostitution, rape, and homosexual acts. These sins are expressions of the vice of lust. These kinds of acts committed against the physical and moral integrity of minors become even more grave.

 

[marty30]

I try to live a good christian life for the most part, so am I? I believe i’m not but I would appreciate your take on the matter

Here’s another teaching from The Catechism Of The Catholic Church.

IV. HELL

1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."612 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.613 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”

1034 Jesus often speaks of “Gehenna” of “the unquenchable fire” reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost.614 Jesus solemnly proclaims that he "will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,"615 and that he will pronounce the condemnation: "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!"616

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."617 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."618

Since we know neither the day nor the hour, we should follow the advice of the Lord and watch constantly so that, when the single course of our earthly life is completed, we may merit to enter with him into the marriage feast and be numbered among the blessed, and not, like the wicked and slothful servants, be ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where "men will weep and gnash their teeth."619

1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;620 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”:621

Father, accept this offering
from your whole family.
Grant us your peace in this life,
save us from final damnation,
and count us among those you have chosen.622

 

[marty30]

Cathichism Of The Catholic Church
II. HEAVEN

1023 Those who die in God’s grace and friendship and are perfectly purified live for ever with Christ. They are like God for ever, for they “see him as he is,” face to face:598

By virtue of our apostolic authority, we define the following: According to the general disposition of God, the souls of all the saints . . . and other faithful who died after receiving Christ’s holy Baptism (provided they were not in need of purification when they died, . . . or, if they then did need or will need some purification, when they have been purified after death, . . .) already before they take up their bodies again and before the general judgment - and this since the Ascension of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into heaven - have been, are and will be in heaven, in the heavenly Kingdom and celestial paradise with Christ, joined to the company of the holy angels. Since the Passion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ, these souls have seen and do see the divine essence with an intuitive vision, and even face to face, without the mediation of any creature.599

1024 This perfect life with the Most Holy Trinity - this communion of life and love with the Trinity, with the Virgin Mary, the angels and all the blessed - is called “heaven.” Heaven is the ultimate end and fulfillment of the deepest human longings, the state of supreme, definitive happiness.

1025 To live in heaven is “to be with Christ.” The elect live "in Christ,"600 but they retain, or rather find, their true identity, their own name.601

For life is to be with Christ; where Christ is, there is life, there is the kingdom.602

1026 By his death and Resurrection, Jesus Christ has “opened” heaven to us. The life of the blessed consists in the full and perfect possession of the fruits of the redemption accomplished by Christ. He makes partners in his heavenly glorification those who have believed in him and remained faithful to his will. Heaven is the blessed community of all who are perfectly incorporated into Christ.

1027 This mystery of blessed communion with God and all who are in Christ is beyond all understanding and description. Scripture speaks of it in images: life, light, peace, wedding feast, wine of the kingdom, the Father’s house, the heavenly Jerusalem, paradise: "no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man conceived, what God has prepared for those who love him."603

1028 Because of his transcendence, God cannot be seen as he is, unless he himself opens up his mystery to man’s immediate contemplation and gives him the capacity for it. The Church calls this contemplation of God in his heavenly glory “the beatific vision”:

How great will your glory and happiness be, to be allowed to see God, to be honored with sharing the joy of salvation and eternal light with Christ your Lord and God, . . . to delight in the joy of immortality in the Kingdom of heaven with the righteous and God’s friends.604

1029 In the glory of heaven the blessed continue joyfully to fulfill God’s will in relation to other men and to all creation. Already they reign with Christ; with him "they shall reign for ever and ever."605

I don’t know about you but I chose hevean. It ain’t gonna be easy gettin there but man will it be worth it!

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

TEEN,
Above all, we must keep in mind that homosexual inclinations do not make up our true identity as rational or Christian persons. We are first and foremost men and women created in the image of God - we are exceedingly precious in God’s sight and we have been given the gifts of intelligence and free-will. We can live a life of union with Christ, through prayer, and we can know the peace of interior chastity. This is God’s desire for us, and He continually gives us the grace to live it
couragerc.net

and here is one more Catholic teaching;

CCC2852 “A murderer from the beginning, . . . a liar and the father of lies,”** Satan is "the deceiver of the whole world."165 Through him sin and death entered the world and by his definitive defeat all creation will be "freed from the corruption of sin and death.**"166 **Now “we know that anyone born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. We know that we are of God, and the whole world is in the power of the evil one.”**167

The Lord who has taken away your sin and pardoned your faults also protects you and keeps you from the wiles of your adversary the devil, so that the enemy, who is accustomed to leading into sin, may not surprise you. One who entrusts himself to God does not dread the devil. "If God is for us, who is against us?"168

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I see you only like to pick on certain people in this thread and yet you won’t answer any questions or respond to other post. The way I see it your the one doing the badgering. Teen asked a question with the opening of the thread and so far everyone has given there answer according to the church’s teachings whether it was word for word or not, but you just seem to want to accuse others of badgering. Again if any one is badgering it is you my friend.

Could you please take the time to review at least the posts mentioned though I would actually encourage you to read that party’s exchange in detail, and then explain the relationship of the questionable posts to the Catholic Church teachings? It is beyond me how you will match these actions to the teaching but I promise to read them with an open mind. Similarly If I missed a realistic question asked to me please point it out I will have no problem answer that question. I do not recall being ask much if anything on this thread at least until now

I have a question for you Texas. Do you agree with the church’s teachings on homosexuality?

No problem, I do question at times whether chastity is overvalued by the Church which is base on Old Testament readings, however I do not oppose the Church at all on this subject.

May I ask you a couple of questions? ( ignore if you do not wish to be asked)

Would you like all of these responses to be the responses to your teen age child?

Does this at all seem an unwise way to speak to the young?

Do you think most sex acts defined as illicit are performed by heterosexuals or homosexuals?

Do you think God judges homosexual acts with a stricter matter than illicit heterosexual actions?

 

[Elric]

Please show me where in the Bible it makes the distinction between homosexuals and heterosexuals. That is the only possible way to support YOUR fallible interpretation.

Actually I was refering to the part being quoted, not the whole bible.

But that part does make the distinction by pointing out that they were naturally hetrosexual who then committed homosexual acts:

“and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.”

That part there is a big clue.

There is no mention of those who were homosexual to begin with and the quoted part is very clear in that it was discussing hetrosexuals commiting homosexual acts.

I see at least two descriptors in the above verse that can be defined as those who commit homosexual acts – forincators and abusers of themselves with men. So I’d say the translation is accurate.

Unfortunatly they can also be committed by hetrosexuals as well, so the translation isnt accurate (plus the little matter of changing the words which can lead to different meanings).

Nice non-answer. I take that to mean that you can’t answer the question, given that it’s not silly at all.

Of course its silly, it asks if I am mentioned in the Bible for starters and then goes on to suggest that I claimed to be infallible translator/interpreter of Scripture when I never made such a claim (in fact nobody can) and that is also mentioned in the Bible.

So of course I can answer the question, the answer would be NO. But that was obvious before the question was asked (and I would not trust someone who said yes), so it was a silly question that is counter-productive.

Why should I trust your interpretation if it’s not an infallible one?

Why should you trust anyones, since there isnt an infalible translation. In fact many words are ambigous so are extremly difficult to translate, unless you can ask the author what they intended.

If you are not an infallible interpretor or translator of Scripture, what makes your translation/interpretation superior to mine?

Well for starters, I have an open mind and I dont claim to to know everything written in the bible.

You will notice that I only stated that the Romans verses doesnt condemn homosexuality (and even then I agree that it does condemn some practicing homosexuality). The Corinthians verses I didnt comment on if it condems or condones homosexuality, merely that the translation that was used is inaccurate (which it is). Its ambigous and doesnt clearly say one way or another.

 

[wanner47]

I was with you during the first part however this thread is titled " I’m an active homosexual, am I destined to hell?" So Church teaching regard sins and their outcome would seem relative, however why you feel the subject should change to his personal sex habits are beyond me.

Because the subject’s personal sex habits, which are the topic of the thread, are not in accordance with Church teaching, and the OP doesn’t seem to realize that (or disagrees with it), thus the discussion.

Do you attend confession? I ask because many subjects come up in confession and the Priest has never told to be specific on my sex habits, so why would I have a need to treat him differently?

I’m not treating him differently. If someone else posted a thread that said, “I continually masturbate; am I destined for hell?” or “I routinely commit adultery; am I destined for hell?” or something similar, I would respond in the same way.

In fact the term “I’m an active homosexual” would seem to suffice for citing all relative catholic teachings.

And it’s those teachings that we’re discussing.

Yes it is sad, if the practices common to this thread become common to the Church it will no longer be the Catholic Church, it would be the Church of men.

Well, you’re going to be disappointed, because the Church will always teach that homosexual acts are immoral.