I'm an Alien from the planet Zygone. What place is there for me in your religion?

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I’m an Alien from the planet Zygone. What place is there for me in your religion? And why is your planet the only planet that speaks of Jesus. Sounds like something you made up.
 
IWantGod said:
I’m an Alien from the planet Zygone. What place is there for me in your religion? And why is your planet the only planet that speaks of Jesus. Sounds like something you made up.
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If you choose not to convert to Judaism, you can become a Noahide and abide by the Seven Laws of Noah. These laws will give your life on Earth meaning and purpose and enable you to behave in a fair, just, and merciful way toward others. The Torah and Talmud fill in more details concerning what kind of behavior is ethically and morally desirable on an individual and social level.
 
meltzerboy said:
If you choose not to convert to Judaism, you can become a Noahide and abide by the Seven Laws of Noah. These laws will give your life on Earth meaning and purpose and enable you to behave in a fair, just, and merciful way toward others. The Torah and Talmud fill in more details concerning what kind of behavior is ethically and morally desirable on an individual and social level.
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Actually, I heard about the Seven Laws long ago. They captivated my interest: it’s great that Judaism has emboldened them for all people to behave morally without even needing to be Jewish. They are seven qualities that every human society should have.

Hopefully, the aliens are already there.
 
Sorry, Jesus died for humanity, not for Zygonites lol. You speak pretty good english for an alien
 
PraiseChrist said:
Sorry, Jesus died for humanity, not for Zygonites lol. You speak pretty good english for an alien
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Then what happens to Zygonites? Have they ever fallen from their natural state as humanity has, or do they have some super mysterious covenant for themselves that they don’t know about?
 
IWantGod said:
I’m an Alien from the planet Zygone. What place is there for me in your religion? And why is your planet the only planet that speaks of Jesus. Sounds like something you made up.
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No place. For us Catholics, our economy of salvation does not extend to non-human species. Our planet is the only planet that speaks of Jesus because this is the only one he assumed a human nature on as Jesus. The same Person may have done the same on your planet in your nature, but that’s for YOUR religious system to determine, not ours.

As a non-human creature, you are not entitled to baptism, and we do not deem you “guilty” of original sin. What need of salvation you have and beliefs you have about your souls, whether they’re immortal or not is for your religious system, not ours.

You are not even bound by our moral laws, but rest assured if you decide it’s fine to eat us, we will annihilate you. However, if you do show that you are a rational creature with a concept of rights, we can most certainly come to an agreement on how we treat each other, and perhaps even extend our civil laws to extend our own rights to life, liberty and happiness to you, such that unjustified killing of one of your kind can be considered murder.

But you can never become a Christian, because Jesus did not take on your nature, and you do not possess the “stain” of original sin in the same way we do.
 
IWantGod said:
I’m an Alien from the planet Zygone. What place is there for me in your religion? And why is your planet the only planet that speaks of Jesus. Sounds like something you made up.
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Everything in my post here only applies if we assume that you are a creature who has an intellect, will, and immortal soul, and your nature is ordered toward union with God.

It is possible that the reason you have found Earth is because Providence led you here to find the true faith.

It is possible that there is some religion similar to Judaism that your alien people have had revealed to them. Your discovery of Earth and the faith given to us by Christ is the next step for your people to grow closer to God.

If your nature is ordered towards the good like humans’ is, then you will have a similar understanding of natural virtues; even if no faith has been revealed to you, some part of your alien species will have deducted that there is a God (or gods) and will have probably gone down similar philosophical paths that the ancient human philosophers did to reach that conclusion. You will have determined some of the qualities of God, but will know nothing about his name, the Trinity, or other mysteries.
 
porthos11 said:
But you can never become a Christian, because Jesus did not take on your nature, and you do not possess the “stain” of original sin in the same way we do.
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Why can they not worship the same God, believing in Him as a Triune deity? They can develop a sort of Zygonitish-Christianity syncretic religion.
 
IWantGod said:
I’m an Alien from the planet Zygone. What place is there for me in your religion? And why is your planet the only planet that speaks of Jesus. Sounds like something you made up.
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I didn’t make it up, and the apostles “most to be pitied” (in the words of St. Paul) “if” they weren’t correct, as they were crucified on an X cross (St Andrew) or upside down (St Peter) or beheded (St Paul). Or the other disciples who were singing praises as they were being boiled alive.
I’m starting to think that this Zygone stuff is being made up…You’re religion says Catholic!
 
Don’t worry about it. He reconciled all creation even though you didn’t hear about it.
 
Hatikvah said:
Why can they not worship the same God, believing in Him as a Triune deity? They can develop a sort of Zygonitish-Christianity syncretic religion.
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NO.

No syncretic religion. Just as St. Francis “preached” to the birds to sing praise of God, as they were his creatures, but with irrational souls, and not redeemed as they don’t sin and no salvation, so too can this alien do so, without hope for salvation.
Simply accepting the will of God is enough.
 
It’s fun to joke and all, but if truly intelligent aliens from another galaxy showed up on Earth, the results would be chaos for the religious community. Namely, one group would still try to say "Well God created the Aliens too, even though if the Aliens (like in Prometheus, could PROVE they created us/have another “God”, etc…) The other group would think the Aliens are Satan and his demons in person. Still, another group would be open to the theoretical possibility that we are not alone and that maybe our, or other religions are indeed Wrong, which is impossible for many of those true faithful to even conveive of. And then you’d have the whole sci-fi group who would be sure the Aliens are here to destroy/abduct us. I would hope it would rather be more like Star Trek First Contact where we could start a mutual friendship. (Although I doubt it)
Food for thought…
 
Hatikvah said:
Why can they not worship the same God, believing in Him as a Triune deity? They can develop a sort of Zygonitish-Christianity syncretic religion.
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They could, since we do believe God is unchangeable, so he would likely have revealed the same to them in the fullness of their time. This is probably the only religious truth we will be able to share with them in common.

But the economy of salvation for humanity does not apply to non-humans. What was not assumed was not redeemed. Even if they were to accept the Incarnation as a real event that happened on Earth, that God took on the nature of the planet’s intelligent natives, it would be of no spiritual benefit to them.

They can indeed worship the Triune God, assuming they have their revelation, but they cannot become Christian, as they cannot be validly baptized.

However, on the off-chance a human-alien hybrid is possible (say, compatibility a la Star Trek), then the offspring would be a descendant of Adam, and therefore eligible.

In other words, Spock can be baptized, but Sarek cannot. Much the same way, Worf cannot be baptized, but K’heleyr and Alexander both could (as could B’Elanna and Miral).
 
PraiseChrist said:
I didn’t make it up, and the apostles “most to be pitied” (in the words of St. Paul) “if” they weren’t correct, as they were crucified on an X cross (St Andrew) or upside down (St Peter) or beheded (St Paul). Or the other disciples who were singing praises as they were being boiled alive.
I’m starting to think that this Zygone stuff is being made up…You’re religion says Catholic!
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Better be careful what standards you set for evaluating religions. If “singing while boiling” is a valid criteria, then the Zygones may well end up worshiping the god of the lobsters.
 
So what if the Zygones could do everything Jesus did, and even further could prove they existed in Jesus’s time? Could anyone conceive this for one moment that their religion could be proven wrong? It’s not a very comfortable or easy thing to do, but intelligent Alien life would be the truest test for humanity. To see if we could exist, adapt and try to understand each other.
 
PraiseChrist said:
NO.

No syncretic religion. Just as St. Francis “preached” to the birds to sing praise of God, as they were his creatures, but with irrational souls, and not redeemed as they don’t sin and no salvation, so too can this alien do so, without hope for salvation.
Simply accepting the will of God is enough.
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Yet, to worship the Creator is still good and well no matter what you are? Thomas Jefferson and other moralistic deists of his day believed that there “might be a hope” for some sort of afterlife, and said that the Creator is still worthy of worship, even if He does not save them.

And I don’t think that we can dictate that these aliens, or any non-humans, can(not?) be saved. That is the duty of God, not man. If God’s desire is to have communion with His creatures, as it is in the Beatific Vision, He can certainly do so. Nothing except His will can stop that.
 
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