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You’re always talking about “the nuns.” What order do they belong to? Nuns are usually cloistered.
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Then why was he talking to himself all through the gospels? “Father, why have you forsaken me?” Is this guy mentally ill? Talking to voices in his head? If he’s one God but he talks to himself I think he might need to go to analysis or something.
Come on, just admit it. It’s a silly story and you don’t take it seriously either.
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ibkc
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Where did you get this stuff? It’s kind of frightening.
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LaMar
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I get it from your own web pages and from believing Catholics.
Would you care to explain the trinity and assumption of Mary so that a hellbound infidel of average intelligence, such as my own bad self, could understand it?
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“We don’t care too much about the death of Christ”???
Where on earth did you come up with that? Please do not lump all Mormons into this category. The fact is, if Christ had not paid for our sins with His death then there would have been no resurrection. If there had been no resurrection, then where would we be? Official Mormon teachings do NOT state that"we don’t care too much about His death". Salvation for ANYONE would not be possible if Christ had not died for us.Annie
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Why is it that in the last year, I’ve heard Christ’s name mentioned maybe 15-20 times in sacrament meetings? Most of those mentions were peripheral and had nothing to do with the lessons.“We don’t care too much about the death of Christ”???
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I mean, we pray in his name, and the priests bless the sacrament through him. Other than that, he’s sort of a non-entity. Be honest and admit this now.
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Catholic Answers on the Assumption of Mary:
“The doctrine of the Assumption says that at the end of her life on earth Mary was assumed, body and soul, into heaven, just as Enoch, Elijah, and perhaps others had been before her. It’s also necessary to keep in mind what the Assumption is not. Some people think Catholics believe Mary “ascended” into heaven. That’s not correct. Christ, by his own power, ascended into heaven. Mary was assumed or taken up into heaven by God. She didn’t do it under her own power.”
Wikipedia on the Trinity:
“The Trinity is a Christian doctrine, stating that God is one Being Who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons (not to be confused by “person”[1]): the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Since the 4th century, in both Eastern Christianity and Western Christianity, this doctrine has been stated as " three persons[2] in one God,” all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal persons, are of one indivisible Divine essence, a simple being. The doctrine also teaches that the Son Himself has two distinct natures, one fully divine and the other fully human, united in a hypostatic union."
Your understanding of the Trinity appears to be horribly garbled by Mormon teachings. The truth is nothing like that.
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Sorry Annie, but I have a hard time believing you. Maybe you’d like to point me to all the crucifix pendants sold at Deseret Book, or all the movies about Jesus’ passion put out by LDS filmmakers. That’d teach me.How can I admit to something I have not experienced?
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Well, I cannot help the fact that you are having a hrd time believing me. Maybe you don’t want to? Whatever the reason is I know that I am being honest here so the choice to believe or not believe is yours alone. As far as the sarcasm of the pendants/movies, that is just silly. You would no more find a crucifix at Deseret books than you would find anything that has to do with Mormons at a Catholic bookstore…As far as the movies go, what IS your point? To be constantly reminded of the suffering of Jesus is not the only path to faith.
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That was my point. Thanks for disagreeing, then finally agreeing with what you disagreed with.
As I pointed out earlier, and as Annie was good enough to reiterate (thanks, Annie) The suffering/passion/death of Christ isn’t the central focus of the Mormon experience. It really doesn’t mean that much to us and we don’t choose to dwell on it. We generally feel that this is a negative aspect of Christian theology, and when we’re among ourselves we often use it to back up the theory that other Christian denominations have gone astray. We value Christ’s life, miracles, and ministry.
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Don’t you ever get dizzy going around in those circles? I do
Again, Christ’s death means alot! Just because we "don’t dwell on it does NOT MEAN that it “does not mean that much to us”!!! You make it sound as if the Mormons believe that it just was not important. You are soooooo wrong about that. Maybe it “does not mean that much” to YOU, but I certainly do not feel that way. What a pitty that you fell so little about the sacrifice that He made for you. There would have been no sacrifice had there been no death. Please do not presume to speak for all Mormons - you don’t!
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I think I explained myself quite clearly. God is one God in three persons. It’s all throughout the Bible, especially in the New Testament. Jesus, who is one person of the Trinity, is talking to God the Father.
If you want to discuss Mary, she was created by God the Father, she was the mother of Jesus and Jesus was concieved in her by the Holy Spirit. BUT GOD LEFT THE DECISON UP ENTIRELY UP TO HER!!! When she was assumed into Heaven, it was the Trinity who did so because of her great faith and her love!!!
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THANKS AGAIN ANNIE!!! ONCE AGAIN YOU AND I AGREE COMPLETELY. You hit the nail on the head once again. I couldn’t have said it better if I had said it myself. And I am certainly no Scott or Kimberly Hahn, but I think you have done a pretty good job at anwering his answers from your own perspective.“We don’t care too much about the death of Christ”???
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But it sure helps.
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Sorry about that one Annie. I kind of left you in the dark. Scott and Kimberly Hahn are becoming somewhat famous within the Catholic Church because of their conversion and the books they have written. I almost feel as though I know them personally. When you have a chance, you might want to read the book they write together Rome Sweet Home. It’s a good read and you might find it entertaining reading.I do not even know who Scott or Kimberly Hahn are
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Because, our understanding of God is that He is one God with three “manifestations,” if you will. An interesting symbol that St. Patrick (it is St. Patrick’s Day) used to explain the Holy Trinity to the Irish is something that even a Mormon can understand in plain and simple terms THE SHAMROCK!!! If it wasn’t too DEEP for the Irish who at that time were druids, it shouldn’t be that difficult for a Mormon to understand. You simply have to look at one. It’s one leaf with three different leaves coming out of it.
Happy St. Patrick’s Day. I know for a fact that Mormons celebrate it.
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Maybe you are simply a good reader of people’s mind. Anyway, fellowship has various ways to get into. When you say, “true fellowship”, that depends on what is in your mind. For every fellowship that attains its purpose must be “true”. You are right, the Holy Mass is a fellowship with Christ. And that fellowship is not an ordinary fellowship. It is the center of all fellowships. For through it we get the opportunity to listen to Him speaking through the celebrant, and to eat of His flesh, a nourishment for our souls.
There is so much community presence during the Holy Mass, if you only know.
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