I'm tired of part-time Catholics in VISIBLE roles at the Mass

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I find it so disheartening when people seem to publicly flaunt their sins; especially those in positions in the Church where one would hope they would know they are living in sin publicly. I don’t understand why these people state this so bluntly.

I was hesitant to even be a Catechist years ago after my divorce and before my annulment was finalized and the DRE was so kind and said, why shouldn’t you be? You are not remarried or in any physical relationship? Her kind words filled my heart with joy.

I served 5 years in this capacity. I can’t imagine volunteering in the situation persons are in that Duesenberg has mentioned.
 
on_the_hill said:
Even then. I really don’t care.
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Yeah, I hear you. Some people really get revved-up about this stuff. They get angry and almost hateful when nothing is done. That’s not me. But the behavior is still painful to know about, to view, in the context of the Mass.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
Quite simply, then your only option is to shake the dust from your feet and move on. Find another parish. You want to do nothing, nothing will happen.

There was no way to fix things in my previous parish without the Bishop coming down hard and perhaps even removing the order from the parish. Given the previous, faithful, men from that order it would of been a bad thing.

So I went to another parish. A 30 minute drive compared to a 20ish minute drive. I am HOME. Today, the priest asked the parish to not only pray the St. Michael prayer after mass, but every day–maybe even several times a day. He is SO good. Amazing.

You don’t want solutions, you want to complain. That is obvious.
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And you want to judge. Shame on you.
 
Duesenberg said:
I know he was at the “after move-in” party hosted by the two EMsHC I noted.
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Are we talking about two same sex persons innocently sharing a house, or are we talking about a man and a woman “shackling up”. Which is it that priest understood when he attended the moving in party?
 
MaryT777 said:
I find it so disheartening when people seem to publicly flaunt their sins; especially those in positions in the Church where one would hope they would know they are living in sin publicly. I don’t understand why these people state this so bluntly.
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I would guess because it’s allowed and thus, become cathartic for them? As if they are doing nothing wrong because no action is being taken?
 
Rau said:
Are we talking about two same sex persons innocently sharing a house, or are we talking about a man and a woman “shackling up”. Which is it that priest understood when he attended the moving in party?
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A men and women moving in together and being very open about it.
 
Duesenberg said:
And you want to judge. Shame on you.
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  1. You created a thread with an issue
  2. You now state that you will do nothing
Yeah, I’m going to be a bit judgy. You want something different. GO FIND IT. You don’t want to find it? CHANGE IT. If you refuese to do either? Your option is to live with it and stop bellyaching.

Again, I made the prayerful decision to not report to the Bishop. I also prayerfully found another parish and have found that I have been richly rewarded.

I suggest you do the same.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
You created a thread with an issue
You now state that you will do nothing

Yeah, I’m going to be a bit judgy. You want something different. GO FIND IT. You don’t want to find it? CHANGE IT. If you refuese to do either? Your option is to live with it and stop bellyaching.

Again, I made the prayerful decision to not report to the Bishop. I also prayerfully found another parish and have found that I have been richly rewarded.

I suggest you do the same.
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Shame on you once more.
 
Duesenberg said:
A men and women moving in together and being very open about it.
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Then the priest by his witness and involvement is leading his flock astray; good people in the parish have a duty to correct him; and if that is not effective (or does not lead to a different understanding of events), to report his behaviour to the Bishop.
 
Duesenberg said:
Shame on you once more.
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😆

Perhaps you should re-title your post “I hate my parish”

🤣

That’d be more accurate.

It seems that you are not “tired of part-time Catholics in visible roles” you’re tired of knowing sin happens.
 
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Rau said:
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Duesenberg:
A men and women moving in together and being very open about it.
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Then the priest by his witness and involvement is leading his flock astray; good people in the parish have a duty to correct him; and if that is not effective (or does not lead to a different understanding of events), to report his behaviour to the Bishop.
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Exactly, do something. If you cannot, then move on.
 
Rau said:
Are we talking about two same sex persons innocently sharing a house, or are we talking about a man and a woman “shackling up”. Which is it that priest understood when he attended the moving in party?
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It’s very interesting you noted that. There are two homosexuals who share a house that attend my parish. Both live celibate lives. I suspect in time both will become religious priests or brothers. I know one of them. I saw him downtown and said “hey Samuel, how’s things?” as we approached one another. I figured he would say “great Duesenberg, how about you?” and that would be that.

Instead he was sad/upset. My parish (via the bulletin) is begging for EMsHC. Many have just quietly had enough and simply choose not to serve. Samuel said he would be more than willing and he was ignored. It’s not because of any grand homophobic issue or anything like that. It’s because Samuel isn’t in the inner circle and became both he and his housemate are deeply respected, very pious and very proper people and that’s why he was rejected – at least in his opinion.
 
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Rau said:
Then the priest by his witness and involvement is leading his flock astray; good people in the parish have a duty to correct him; and if that is not effective (or does not lead to a different understanding of events), to report his behaviour to the Bishop.
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I don’t disagree with you. I really don’t. But I know for certain that others (many others actually) have tried with absolutely no success over the years.

My only reason for trying would be to metaphorically have my “ticket stamped.” That I too tried. I’m not being sarcastic when I ask, is that what you’re talking about?
 
Rau said:
So - put a hold on the public condemnations of the situation (for which we only have your assertion) and seek to make things better. I suggested how earlier.
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Rau, what do you think of my advice of simply leaving the parish, especially if the Bishop has chosen not to act? I feel that this would be the most prudent. As well as perhaps encouraging malaligned parishioners to do the same?

Maybe I’m totally off, here…but I get the “shake the dust off your sandals” in my heart as I did with my former parish. It as a truly sad thing. I was there for 10 years, and it’s truly a case of one errant priest.

Although, surprise, surprise, all of the sudden I am seeing a large number of familiar faces at Mass at my new parish. People I never spoke a word to. I was VERY careful not to malalign anyone.

I’ve heard the old parish has not done well–and unfortunately the Priest has doubled down on some misbehaviors—to which people are now going to the Bishop. Not what I wanted to see, but at least I’m getting fed.
 
Rau said:
So - put a hold on the public condemnations of the situation (for which we only have your assertion) and seek to make things better. I suggested how earlier.
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No “public condemnations”, just stating the obvious facts. I’d like to know if others experience this sort of thing at this parish – as I asked in posting #1. In my parish at least publicly, what I’m asking about isn’t a big deal. Asking that steps be taken to curtail such behavior would be a huge deal however. It would also be futile based on what I have witnessed in the past.
 
Duesenberg said:
My only reason for trying would be to metaphorically have my “ticket stamped.” That I too tried. I’m not being sarcastic when I ask, is that what you’re talking about?
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@Rau Do you have any idea?
 
How is it gossip on an anonymous forum when it’s evidently not about anyone on said forum?

You do realize that even priests will discuss with each other sins that are confessed, just by whom, right?
 
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