Immaculate Conception Readings confusing

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Cathoholic said:
Are you serious?
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Are you?

Because Jesus clearly said, “Fear Him who can throw body and soul in Hell.”

Servile fear isn’t a sin.

In the case of the Angel, the Angel was acting as God’s agent, delivering His message.
 
Don’t worry, CatholicDR, when the Ex Cathedra announcement for the Immaculate Conception was made all the bishops were somewhat agitated by the Pope because the doctrine couldn’t be defended from the Scriptures. If they felt that way, then I think you are okay feeling somewhat confused. However the readings do reveal Mary in a most beautiful light! 😄

EDIT: The fear of the Lord should be a fear of offending the Lord. That might help!
 
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Actually, I can’t. If only because the source for that particular knowledge escapes me, but I have in fact heard it enough times from someone who I believe is a professor. The name, however, escapes me.
 
Thank you for your reply.
I found this on the Britannica Web site
It was not, however, until December 8, 1854, that Pius IX, urged by the majority of Catholic bishops throughout the world, solemnly declared in the bull Ineffabilis Deus that the doctrine was revealed by God and hence was to be firmly believed as such by all Catholics.
 
That is, in all likelihood, a better source than some random guy on the internet 🤣
 
She was greatly troubled by his greeting, “Hail”, because it implied a greeting to one who was considered to be royalty. Also, he referred to her as “full of grace”. In her humility she was likely somewhat embarrassed to be greeted that way by powerful Angel of God.
 
Julius_Caesar said:
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When Zachariah questions Gabriel, he is struck dumb, because he is questioning his metaphysical superior. When Mary asks a question, the angel answers her, because she, being the Immaculately Conceived Queen of the Angels, has the right to ask questions of the Angels.
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Or it’s merely becuase of HOW Mary asks the question.

Zechariah says 'How shall I know this?" He’s a priest who surely knows the story of Samson, Isaac, etc.

Mary, on the other hand says, “How will this happen?” This is something unheard of. Of anything Mary is trying to understand, not being unbelieving.
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Zechariah doubted what Gabriel told him and Gabriel says to Zechariah because you did not believe my words,

Mary doesn’t doubt but here question implies that she made a vow of virginity. What she is really asking is about her vow.
 
Cathoholic said:
If Mary was frightened (She wasn’t but if She was) it would be a sin.
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What sin is there in being frightened?
It is my understanding that being frightened is one way to know that a vision is true.
 
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Julius_Caesar said:
Well, Jesus in the Gospel encourages servile fear from His Apostles.
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definition:
Selfish fear based on dread of pain to oneself that would follow if another were offended. It is the fear of punishment for wrongdoing, without being motivated by honor or a sense of duty
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“Fear Him who can kill both body and soul in Gehenna, yes fear Him!”
And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.
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Nay I don’t see that Jesus is encouraging servile fear.
 
hope said:
What sin is there in being frightened?
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Servile fear. (The Blessed Virgin had no servile fear.)

Perfect love casts out all fear.
1st JOHN 4:17-18 17 In this is love perfected with us, that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love.
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This is the fear (filial fear) of the Blessed Virgin Mary . . .
CATECHISM OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT Lastly, our hearts are inflamed by charity, whence springs that filial fear which good and dutiful children experience; and thus dreading only to offend the majesty of God in anything, we entirely abandon the ways of sin.
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“Matthew 10: [28] And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.” DR Version

I could be wrong, but I believe Jesus is referring to Satan in that passage. He’s the “destroyer of souls”, not God. So, Jesus is not referring to Himself, or to the Father.
 
As I said, the vow is implied here otherwise her question makes not sense. Or do you believe she didn’t know how babies are made?
 
Julius_Caesar said:
The Gospel states that Mary was greatly troubled when she saw Gabriel.
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Ever have a troubling problem? Something that had to be pondered; which took discernment; which took effort to overcome? Ever see a troubling argument or a troubling statement? Ever have trouble making an answer?

As we see, trouble ≠ fear.

Neither Mary nor Gabriel spoke English. No one in the scriptures did. Therefore, best to examine the Greek or Aramaic word - in context - from which it was translated into Greek, then Latin, then English. Ever see Bill Murray’s movie “Lost in Translation”?

Like that.
 
hope said:
As I said, the vow is implied here otherwise her question makes not sense. Or do you believe she didn’t know how babies are made?
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And, as I said, the vow is a little T tradition? Mary is just asking a normal question on how the pregnancy would work without the normal mode.
 
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