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Theo520
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How is that also not in the national interest, if the ‘potential’ rival was in fact corrupt?
Bear in mind we don’t even have hearsay that Trump asked them to manufacture evidence against Biden,
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Bear in mind we don’t even have hearsay that Trump asked them to manufacture evidence against Biden,
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PaulinVA
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Because nothing was done until Biden was a political rival. Because there is no allegation of Joe Biden being corrupt. There was no evidence of “ongoing” corruption. It was all to hurt Biden, whom Trump thought could beat him.
Corruption Allegations Against Biden Are 'Completely Groundless,' Says Democratic Impeachment Manager
Rep. Sylvia Garcia threw cold water on accusations that former Vice President Joe Biden acted improperly in Ukraine.
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Rep. Sylvia Garcia (D–Texas) on Thursday sought to discredit corruption allegations against former Vice President Joe Biden as many Senate Republicans push to have his son, Hunter, testify in President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial.
As vice president, Biden in 2015 pushed for the deposition of Viktor Shokin, a Ukrainian prosecutor, who had drawn the ire of former President Barack Obama and several international agencies. Some in the GOP insist that the move was instead motivated by a desire to protect his son, Hunter, who had taken a spot on the board of Burisma, a Ukranian energy company mired in scandal.
“Let’s be very, very clear,” Garcia said on the Senate floor. “Vice President Biden called for the removal of this prosecutor at the official direction of U.S. policy because the prosecutor was widely perceived as corrupt and with the support of all of our international allies, his actions were therefore supported by the executive branch, Congress, and the international community.”
As Reason 's Elizabeth Nolan Brown points out, the younger Biden’s business dealings may indeed warrant raised eyebrows, as he “was brokering tight business relationships with state-associated companies in China and Ukraine” while his father served as Vice President of the United States. But in that same vein, there is "no evidence that Joe Biden was involved or acted improperly in service of his son.
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Ridgerunner
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Diversion.
The point is that the Dems could have called whatever witnesses they wanted in the impeachment hearing. They didn’t call Bolton, but could have. Didn’t even subpoena him. Had no problems with hearsay otherwise, but didn’t even offer Bolton hearsay if they thought it would be helpful.
They took their chance on selecting the witnesses they wanted. They should not expect the senate to do it for them, if they even wanted that.
The point is that the Dems could have called whatever witnesses they wanted in the impeachment hearing. They didn’t call Bolton, but could have. Didn’t even subpoena him. Had no problems with hearsay otherwise, but didn’t even offer Bolton hearsay if they thought it would be helpful.
They took their chance on selecting the witnesses they wanted. They should not expect the senate to do it for them, if they even wanted that.
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Theo520
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No, he wasn’t an actual rival when this went down.
Why does the corruption have to be “ongoing” to be relevant? There is ample evidence something smelly was going on.
Obama was allergic to investigating his own team, shame on him.
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Ridgerunner
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Often the evidence is developed in an investigation. But that didn’t happen under Obama. Under Trump it might. Hope it does. Can’t have high officials bragging about how they used our aid to get a foreign official fired when that official was investigating the official’s son’s company, without investigating such an obvious conflict of interest.
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PaulinVA
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What was the evidence?
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drcube
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And no charges in three plus years of the Trump administration tells me there is nothing there. But let’s keep trying to get blood from that stone and repeating the falsehoods to demonize Trump’s Democratic opponents.
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Theo520
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His son got filthy rich off his Dad’s power position.
An investigation would need to identify if his son influenced Dad, but it’s verified he was hired and overpaid for jobs, and his dad took actions that favored his employers.
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Ridgerunner
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When the previous administraiton exonerated the person investigated before investigating, and gave all possible witnesses immunity, it didn’t leave an easy task for a successor.
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Maximus1
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Asked them to announce an investigation.
And who gets to decide, it’s ok to abuse power because I am a Holy man and he is not?
And who gets to decide, it’s ok to abuse power because I am a Holy man and he is not?
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Theo520
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Asked them to restart a prior investigation, something they are treaty bound to respect. Whether it was announced over a year before the election is largely irrelevant. Either it would yield evidence or it would exonerate the target, by the time the election rolled around.
So far, the evidence we do have is doing serious harm to Biden
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Maximus1
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Biden’s son gets paid to much and Biden followed the policy , fired a currupt prosecutor.
Lots of damage with those facts is nothing to be proud of.
To Trump’s list of retribution revenge and hate, add false witness
Lots of damage with those facts is nothing to be proud of.
To Trump’s list of retribution revenge and hate, add false witness
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PaulinVA
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Hearsay. Unfounded accusations. I thought you guys were totally against that.
I will engage just once in whataboutism - Trump, with his attempts to create an American Royal Family, should not throw stones. That whole glass houses thing.
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Maximus1
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What did his dad do besides fire the currupt prosecutor?
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drcube
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You mean, that she’s been exonerated once and that wasn’t good enough for you, so she has to be exonerated multiple times before you believe. Or will you not believe even if she is exonerated multiple times? Kind of like the moving goal posts for Obama proving he was born in America; move the goal posts and keep the falsehoods rolling even though there is overwhelming evidence against the assumptions.
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Sirach2
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What logical person would believe that Biden is so powerful an opponent that Trump absolutely HAD to dig up dirt to take him down? Trump doesn’t need to worry about Biden or anyone else!
Both Sanders and Warren announced their candidacy in February 2019, two full months before Biden entered 4/25. If Trump was so worried about squelching rivals, why didn’t he dig up dirt on these two also?
This makes no sense whatsoever that he had to go after Biden, who did not do well politically previously. It was just a ploy by Dems to find something to pin on him.
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drcube
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Because the Republican playbook for Presidential elections for this entire century is to demonize the Democratic opponents with falsehoods.
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PaulinVA
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Trump is not a logical person.
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Sirach2
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Yes, I know my words fall on deaf ears, and I apologize for even attempting to instill some logic in this matter.
We will never have a meeting of minds, sorry to say. I believe the charges against him were contrived and without merit. End of story.
We will never have a meeting of minds, sorry to say. I believe the charges against him were contrived and without merit. End of story.
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Maximus1
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Don’t ask questions about," what logical person," when that question baits someone who followed the case. It’s insulting
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