Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

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Trump asked for a news release for short term political benefit pointing to the fact they are simply looking at the Bidens. According to Sonderland that was all Trump was looking for. Which makes sense since Comey opening up the investigation about Hillary is likely what put him over the top. Not found anything. Looking equals implication. ( Does anyone recall Trump on the stump talking up how brave Comey was) ( Only two months later he fired Comey based on the Rosenstein letter wherein the grounds was going public about Hillary. How disengenuous can you get)
There is a primary and he does not want to face Biden.
The idea it was investigating CURRUPTION is laughable. First, Trump never said Curruption. Second, Rudy has been there looking into the Biden’s. Third Trump is not interested in anything but the two personal issues to him. No other Curruption has been identified Trump was interested in. Mulvany said it was a quid pro quo.
Nobody believes Trump was not acting in his personal self interest
 
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Maximus1 said:
Nobody believes Trump was not acting in his personal self interest
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There are many people who believe Trump was doing his job as president of the United States. According to Sondeland? What a joke. Your sentence should read, “In Sondeland’s opinion”
 
Sonderland was told only the big things( Biden) on a call that was overheard.
But let’s look at his credibility. He gave a million bucks to Trump. He stood to loose big telling the truth. ( He has lost big doing it). It is a joke to think he did that for any reason other than his oath.
But it is corroborated by Trump’s words in the call( Biden, not Curruption …favor).
It is corroborated by a half a year of Rudy lining up crooks and Russians indicted for campaign violations.
And clearly if Mulvany and the rest testify it will be furthur corroborated. So hope he successfully obstructs justice with McConnell’s help hiding the truth from the American people as best as he can.
Hoping to get away with concealing witnesses from the public is so damning I terms of unfitness
 
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You have speculation on ‘all of what trump was looking for’

The facts are that there was suspicious activity by the Bidens that on the face of it warrants further investigation. No noob is paid $50k+ a month.

Uncovering corruption is in the National Interest, even if their opponent benefits.
 
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There was no crime anyone was suspicious of. And no crime still about Biden is even alleged " theoretically." Guilt by innuendo is the totality of evidence Trump possessed when he asked. There must be something? That is all you yourself just said. Truth is paying off kids and family in American (and world politics) is common. ( It began with Billy Carter if I recall BILLY BEER?), but it isn’t a crime.It is common for the Trump kids to reap it all the time. So does the son in law. But not a crime.
But without evidence, AND ACTUAL INDICTMENT you don’t ask foreign leaders to hold a press conference to announce it. And condition a White House meeting on first doing the press conference( a quid pro quo )
Why?
Because that very act would violate our own justice department rules and ethics. They couldn’t get their own justice department to do it.
This ISN’T SPECULATION. IT IS COMMON SENSE.
 
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if Mulvany and the rest testify
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Bolding mine. This is the big issue with you. Mulvany did NOT testify. You have no idea what Mulvany would say if he did testify. I thought you were an attorney. Do you not know you can’t base anything on what you THINK someone will say when testifying? Do you not know opinions are irrelevant on fact witnesses? Do you not know supposition is NOT fact.

Sondeland’s credibility is irrelevant as he could not provide any factual testimony, he only offered opinion and supposition. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
 
Why was Biden bragging about withholding US dollars if Ukraine didn’t fire a prosecutor investigating Burisma?
 
dvdjs said:
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Guinness:
The “accused” doesn’t have to show his innocence, the prosecution has to show his guilt.
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In a criminal trial.
But even a crook like Nixon knew that the Presidency involved something more.
He knew that the “people have got to know whether or not their president’s a crook”.
This is not a matter of what a clever crook can get away with. It is about the people knowing whether that their president is not a crook.
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And perhaps the manner in which the people were convinced in their thinking that the president is a crook based upon unproved allegations and hearsay concocted by the political opposition in cahoots with the media opens up the question of what “clever” politicians and cooperating operatives “can get away with?”

There appears to be a great deal of criminality everywhere these days.

What of the people knowing whether the former vice president (currently running to be the next president) and his son are not crooks?

How about we determine crookery before the individual becomes president? Might save some time later on?
 
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We have a video of Mulvany. A statement against interest. A confession of sorts.
We know Trump wouldn’t hide an exculpatory witness.
Sondland produced lots of evidence. Direct and circumstantial. Lay opinions are admissible; there is an entire rule of evidence dedicated to their admissibility, vel non.
 
The effectiveness of administration policy yhat he carried out of course.
 
Your idea of investigating political opponents cannot possibly identify anything more authoritarian in practice. Other than the summary execution that follows perhaps.
You keep saying unproven allegations and hearsay before the trial. A trial that will not follow the Federal Rules of Procedure or Rules of Evidence. It’s gibberish.
 
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Theo520 said:
How is exposing political corruption not in the National interest?!?!

Trump asked for support to investigate, not fabricate.
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Trump asked for an announcement of an investigation, by Zelensky himself, on CNN. Clearly he was more interested in the publicity boost it would give him and not in any actual corruption.
 
petra22 said:
Why was Biden bragging about withholding US dollars if Ukraine didn’t fire a prosecutor investigating Burisma?
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Because that was stated US policy, agreed to by Democrats and Republicans, as well as most of the European leaders. Also that prosecutor was no longer investigating Burisma at the time.
 
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petra22 said:
Why was Biden bragging about withholding US dollars if Ukraine didn’t fire a prosecutor investigating Burisma?
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Where do you get this idea? The reality was that the prosecutor was impeding investigation of Burisma, and that, among other acts of corruption, is why he had to go.
 
They started with one fact, Biden’s son was making 50k a month, and from there an entire criminal.conspiracy. So now we have to deal with impeachment
 
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They started with one fact, Biden’s son was making 50k a month, and from there an entire criminal.conspiracy.
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Notably, the conspiracy theorizing began in earnest years after the events in question, when Joe Biden was looming large as Trump’s general election opponent.
 
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I wonder how much presidential advisors Jared and Ivanka made from foreign dealings.

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Considering that it’s wrong for Hunter and all.
 
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