Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

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I am looking forward to
I’m looking forward to the Dems getting some actual leadership, but I suspect that must wait for Nancy to retire. She’s a competent vote manager but not a leader.

Dems will keep losing until they get some leadership. I’d say Bernie shows actual leadership, but it’s economically flawed.
 
I am looking forward to Trump
I’m looking forward to President Trump’s win in the 2020 election.
I wonder if it will be seen at telling that Trump supporters are comfortable talking of about a hit on a US ambassador
You make it sound as though Trump ordered her to be killed. Ambassadors serve at the pleasure of the President. They can be recalled at any time for any reason. You seem to want others to see something nefarious in the President’s recalling her.
 
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You make it sound as though Trump ordered her to be killed.
I have no idea what Trump’s role was in the discussions referred to in @JapaneseKappa’s links. I would assume that the President would be outraged by the discussion and seek to make a clear statement disavowing them in the strongest terms.
 
I would assume that the President would be outraged by the discussion and seek to make a clear statement disavowing them in the strongest terms.
?? wait why would we assume that? I thought Trump was a monster? Come on, we gotta stick to the script
 
I thought Trump was a monster?
If you assume that Trump is a monster, then you might not expect to disavow the discussion.
We will see what action he takes; that will give some insight into whose assumptions are right.
 
You make it sound as though Trump ordered her to be killed
Remember Trump told the Ukrainian president that he expected her to “go through some things,” which is some weird wording for a normal recall/replacement.
That being said, I doubt he actually called for an assassination of anything other than character, but this should definitely be followed up on.
 
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Lets see if a defense of “no harm no foul” plays well when discussing a hit on a US ambassador.
I wonder if it will be seen at telling that Trump supporters are comfortable talking of about a hit on a US ambassador. Going to go through some things, anyway.
You seem so excited at the prospects that you aren’t able to even type coherently. Calm down, eh!
 
That being said, I doubt he actually called for an assassination of anything other than character.
Her own testimony at the hearing accomplished her character assassination better than anything Trump “called for.”
 
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In looking over both articles there is not one mention of President Trump doing anything.
New Rudy Giuliani Letter Destroys Trump Defense in Ukraine Controversy
Giuliani is Trump’s personal attorney. I suppose that means he is doing his job, which is why his activities are all aimed at defending his client. You aren’t claiming that a president has no right to a personal attorney, are you?

There was some indication that he was going to step down as Trump’s lawyer, but that was reversed less than 24 hours later. Perhaps that is why you are confused?


The article you cited appears to be…
But Giuliani’s letter directly undermines that, as it specifies he was acting as Trump’s private attorney; in other words, he was representing the president’s personal political interests and not the country’s interests.
He was acting as Trump’s personal attorney vis a vis Trump’s impeachment, since Trump as a US citizen has a right to representation and defence when being politically impugned.
 
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He was acting as Trump’s personal attorney vis a vis Trump’s impeachment, since Trump as a US citizen has a right to representation and defence when being politically impugned.
So, Guiliani was Trump’s personal attorney. Then when Trump brought up Guiliani on a state phone call with the President of Ukraine as someone that the Zelensky should work with, it was for Trump’s personal interest and the charges of extortion hold true.
 
He was acting as Trump’s personal attorney vis a vis Trump’s impeachment, since Trump as a US citizen has a right to representation and defence when being politically impugned.
The letter was sent last may, prior to impeachment proceedings, prior to the whistleblower. Is your position that Giuliani is a time-traveling lawyer?
 
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He was acting as Trump’s personal attorney vis a vis Trump’s impeachment, since Trump as a US citizen has a right to representation and defence when being politically impugned.
The letter was sent last may, prior to impeachment proceedings, prior to the whistleblower. Is your position that Giuliani is a time-traveling lawyer?
How do you know which “investigation” Giuliani was referring to in the New York Times report?

Giuliani’s words were: “We’re not meddling in an election, we’re meddling in an investigation, which we have a right to do,” Giuliani told The Times when asked whether by going to Ukraine and pressing for the inquiry he was inviting foreign interference in the 2020 election.

The NYT are surmising that Giuliani was there to did up dirt on Biden’s son and Burisma. However, the Mueller report had been released at the time of the letter and the testimony of Mueller before Congress happened later in July. There was talk of Trump not being exonerated on obstruction charges. Barr stated “that’s not what the Justice Department does” and that neither he nor Rosenstein had reviewed the underlying evidence in the report. In July, Mueller testified to Congress that a president could be charged with crimes including obstruction of justice after they left office.

Perhaps what Giuliani was looking for was evidence on Crowdstrike or some other Ukrainian involvement in setting up the Russia Collusion hoax, to mitigate Mueller’s allegations? Julian Assange told a U.S. congressman in 2017 that he could prove the leaked Democratic Party documents he published during the election did not come from Russia. Crowdstrike had virtual and complete access to the DNC server and their word alone was accepted by the FBI as the evidence that triggered the collusion narrative. Trump referenced the Crowdstrike server when he spoke to the Ukrainian President and the individuals who founded and ran the Crowdstrike company were Ukrainians.

By the way, there is a great deal of overlap between Crowdstrike and the Area 1 operatives who are now alleging the Russians hacked Burisma, to continue the Russia collusion with Trump hoax.
 
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He was acting as Trump’s personal attorney vis a vis Trump’s impeachment, since Trump as a US citizen has a right to representation and defence when being politically impugned.
So, Guiliani was Trump’s personal attorney. Then when Trump brought up Guiliani on a state phone call with the President of Ukraine as someone that the Zelensky should work with, it was for Trump’s personal interest and the charges of extortion hold true.
Personal interests involving legal defence to counter, for example the Mueller investigation and allegations stemming from that, does not equate to extortion, except perhaps in your dreams. Even a president is entitled to legal defence as a US citizen.
 
How do you know which “investigation” Giuliani was referring to in the New York Times report?
Because Giuliani told the NYT
Mr. Giuliani said he plans to travel to Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, in the coming days and wants to meet with the nation’s president-elect to urge him to pursue inquiries that allies of the White House contend could yield new information about two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump.
One is the origin of the special counsel’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. The other is the involvement of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s son in a gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch.
 
Paraphrased statements should not be seen as proof of specific statements
New Pres of Ukraine still silent on investigation of Ukrainian interference in 2016 election and alleged Biden bribery of Pres Poroshenko. Time for leadership and investigate both if you want to purge how Ukraine was abused by Hillary and Obama people.
–Rudy Giuliani
 
That doesn’t say the same thing that you stated above. Similar, but not the same.
 
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