Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

[Maximus1]

Let me tell you my predictions, because you honestly are guessing and are wrong.
I definitely thought he could beat Hillary after September and believed he would when Comey reopened her investigation.
I definitely thought he could win the primary.
I never thought firing Comey would impeach him. Like Bannon I thought it would damage him politically. Add his dissing the FBI director to Russian spies in the White House and lying about why he fired Comey( essentially Comey was unfair to Hillary…lol), and his own party and appointees sicked Mueller on him.
This impeachment still derives the Putin. That is impossible to deny.
I thought he would take a beating with the kids. And he did.
Frankly , I never thought he would be impeached until this slam dunk fell into the Democrats hands in July 2019.
Hope that clarifies your thinking about me.
I realize demonizing ones adversary is classic, and makes tribal life easier, but perhaps you should at least have the chance to scoff

 

[Aquinas11]

I definitely thought he could win the primary

I definitely thought he could beat Hillary

You’re confusing could with would

Frankly , I never thought he would be impeached until this slam dunk

Nobody believes you

 

[Maximus1]

Could? I can’t predict the future. She won by 3 million votes and he carried an 70k votes in a few districts.
I will admit my limitations and say could. I did hope she would win.
Nobody believes me? Lol. Cult programming has an effect

 

[Aquinas11]

Could? I can’t predict the future

Sure you can’t

He will continue to taunt, bully, and call people names.

 

[PaulinVA]

No, a ton of wrong past predictions

Losing to Hillary
Not winning GOP nomination
Impeached for Comey firing
Impeached for Mueller report
Impeached for shole countries remark
Impeached for Putin meeting
Impeached for separating kids/families
Etc
Etc

When someone is wrong repeatedly on a certain subject, only a fool listens to them

Well, this is true, sorta.

Trump’s impeachment, in my mind, is like an actor, getting old, who wins an Oscar for a movie that isn’t really stupendously great, but, hey, he deserves it for his body of work.

 

[Ridgerunner]

So, the money was held back to get Ukraine to investigate Trump’s political enemies because they caused him to be investigated. An investigation that resulted in a whole bunch of convictions. Pretty much what I said.

The money was held back due to a concern about corruption; which was also true of the Obama administration which, incidentally, had major concerns about Biden’s conflict of interest but did nothing to block it. The more immediate concern was Ukraine’s participation in interfering with the 2016 election; something the Ukrainian courts had already acknowledged.

Your hatred for the Democrats is really causing you to not see the truth.

I don’t hate the Democrats. I do hate their single wedded devotion to abortion. I hate their undermining of the family. I hate their disdain for half the population.

 

[Xystus]

Trump’s impeachment, in my mind, is like an actor, getting old, who wins an Oscar for a movie that isn’t really stupendously great, but, hey, he deserves it for his body of work.

This seems like an admission that President Trump is not guilty of any impeachable offences and is only being impeached because Democrats think he “deserves” to be.

 

[dvdjs]

I seem to remember a large group of republicans parading over to a room hoping to be allowed in.
They were not.

Fascinating. How is it that you remember something that did not happen?

The boldest bold faced lie was when Cipollone claimed republicans were barred from the impeachment inquiry’s closed-door sessions. You know, the one several republicans were invited to and attended.

 

[Aquinas11]

Trump’s impeachment, in my mind, is like an actor, getting old

Yeah “getting old” for sure

 

[drcube]

The money was held back due to a concern about corruption; which was also true of the Obama administration which, incidentally, had major concerns about Biden’s conflict of interest but did nothing to block it. The more immediate concern was Ukraine’s participation in interfering with the 2016 election; something the Ukrainian courts had already acknowledged.

The money was held back until Ukraine would announce an investigation into the President’s political enemies. If it was corruption, then why hide it? Why didn’t Trump announce it publicly?

I don’t hate the Democrats. I do hate their single wedded devotion to abortion. I hate their undermining of the family. I hate their disdain for half the population.

 

[drcube]

So Burisma’s lawyer admitting that the criminal case was not concluded until Sept 2016 – contrary to Biden’s memo – is spouting “propaganda.”

Funny, we would suppose that Burisma’s lawyer if he was good at propaganda would spout stuff that agrees with the “narrative” that looks good for the Biden’s. Somehow he didn’t get the memo.

The investigation was dormant, not concluded. When a new prosecutor was put in place, the investigation was concluded. Nothing about what Biden’s people said is wrong or inconsistent.

Oh, wait…

…now I get you. You are claiming that Ukraine News is the propaganda source and are likely spreading false information by misrepresenting Burisma’s lawyer.

AND you are claiming that without any evidence to support that, merely that it doesn’t align with what you believe. So it isn’t evidence that is required from you, just your assertion or determination – without evidence – as to which outlet is propaganda and which is accurate? I see. You don’t need evidence, but everyone else does.

I’ve presented links to articles in the past. What you are doing is passing on a conspiracy theory to demonize the political opponent of the President and trying to justify his impeachable behavior. This is what I was talking about when I said propaganda being pushed by the right wing sources and spread into forums like this and you have provided a perfect example.

 

[OneSheep]

I don’t hate the Democrats. I do hate their single wedded devotion to abortion.

It’s an unfair stereotype. Millions of Christian Democrats have to hold their nose and vote for the candidate that is the least undesirable, just as Republicans do. While there are single-issue Democrats devoted to abortion, they are only a very small minority.

I hate their undermining of the family.

Unfounded Slander.

I hate their disdain for half the population.

This, I suggest, is a projection on your part.

 

[mrad25]

Especially with 2+ hours of Schiff barking like a dog. Dianne Feinstein even bolted out early.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Uhhh,no,there was never an announcement and the money was delivered. Another lie perpetrated by the Dems

 

[Jeanne_S]

Their actions would suggest that RR observation is correct

 

[Ridgerunner]

The money was held back until Ukraine would announce an investigation into the President’s political enemies. If it was corruption, then why hide it? Why didn’t Trump announce it publicly?

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) Ridgerunner:

Supposedly Mueller was to do the investigation of the 2016 interference, but he never did. To Dems, it’s only blameworthy when Trump says it should be done.

So this justifies all the falsehoods you post here? You don’t like their views on abortion or their supposed disdain for half the population and that gives you the right to claim that Biden was 'brag(ging) on nationwide TV about thwarting an investigation into his son’s employer by getting the duly appointed prosecutor fired". That sure seems like hatred to me.

Oh, not at all. I claim Biden bragged on nationwide TV about thwarting an investigation into his son’s employer by getting the duly appointed prosecutor fired because I saw him do it myself. Now, he didn’t say “I’m thwarting an investigation into Burisma corruption”, he just did.

While there are single-issue Democrats devoted to abortion, they are only a very small minority.

Both NARAL and NRL rate congress members. All Dems are rated pro-abortion except for one congressman by both. Nearly all Repubs are rated prolife by both. Hard to find better evidence of the Dems total devotion to abortion.

 

[dvdjs]

Now, he didn’t say “I’m thwarting an investigation into Burisma corruption”, he just did.

The truth, however, is that he didn’t.
He sought the removal of a corrupt prosecutor - at the behest of the administration, our allies , and international organizations - who himself was thwarting the investigation of Burisma’s CEO. That key fact that it was the ousted prosecutor was thwarting the investigation is well known, and no amount of misinformation will change that fact.

 

[mrad25]

Trump was doing his job. US law requires Trump to withhold aid if Ukraine isn’t advancing anti-corruption efforts at the time. It’s indisputable Ukrainians interfered in 2016 & there was legitimate concern over the Burisma/Biden dirty money scheme. Both these issues should continue to be investigated.

 

[7_Sorrows]

7_Sorrows:

I seem to remember a large group of republicans parading over to a room hoping to be allowed in.
They were not.

Fascinating. How is it that you remember something that did not happen?

The boldest bold faced lie was when Cipollone claimed republicans were barred from the impeachment inquiry’s closed-door sessions. You know, the one several republicans were invited to and attended.

The republicans most definitely did gather to protest a closed door hearing on October 23, 2019. They were
protesting the lack of transparency in the impeachment process. It did happen.

@dvdjs

 

[dvdjs]

Trump was doing his job.

By US law there is process to ascertain requisite Ukrainian anti-corruption progress. That vetting was conducted and the transfer of funds approved. Trump interested to get a corrupt favor - a public announcement o an investigation into his opponent.

It’s indisputable Ukrainians interfered in 2016

there was legitimate concern over the Burisma/Biden dirty money scheme.

In reality, there is no legitimacy to this disinformation story.

Republicans on the committee did have access.
Others came to join them and did enter the room, improperly.