Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

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Ridgerunner said:
Both NARAL and NRL rate congress members. All Dems are rated pro-abortion except for one congressman by both. Nearly all Repubs are rated prolife by both. Hard to find better evidence of the Dems total devotion to abortion.
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Yes, these political acts are difficult to stomach, but I was addressing your comment saying that Democrats are “devoted” to this single issue.

I am wondering if people have brought up the issues that are just as important as the abuse of power and obstruction of justice:

Emoluments (including that he has spent over 100 million of our taxes golfing at his own properties)
Intimidation of witnesses
Firing of Comey
Obstruction (attempted) of the Russian investigation
Attack on Iraq to appease Republican senators and possibly John Bolton (and all other AIPAC affiliates)
Requesting a foreign government to do an investigation to discredit the Mueller
Use of campaign funds to buy the silence of mistresses
Inciting violence, including the terrorist act in El Paso

And here is the one people don’t talk about enough: There is good reason to suspect that Trump is monetarily indebted to Russian oligarchs, maybe Putin himself. The behavior he exhibits toward Russia does not necessarily “prove” it, but his praise for Putin, downplaying of NATO, trying to pin the election interfering on Ukraine when Russia was a proven hacker, etc. all seem to point to something very fishy. I also think that the Pro-Netanyahu extremists who fund Trump were also picking up on the same vibe (pulling troops out of Syria and failure to bomb Iran after the Saudi incident), and that is why Trump has begun attacking Iranian forces and making criticism of Israel on college campuses a violation. If he is indebted to Russians, this is an enormous conflict of interest.
 
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OneSheep said:
I am wondering if people have brought up the issues that are just as important as the abuse of power and obstruction of justice:
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You can’t be serious. Even if all of those things were true, which I mightily deny, how can you possibly equate them to the murder of a million children a year? Sometimes I think this society has absolutely lost its mind, in addition to losing its way morally and being well on its way to losing its soul entirely.
 
dvdjs said:
By US law there is process to ascertain requisite Ukrainian anti-corruption progress. That vetting was conducted and the transfer of funds approved. Trump interested to get a corrupt favor - a public announcement o an investigation into his opponent.
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By US law the President has a duty to look into corruption. False. Read the transcript. Never asked for a public announcement. Hearsay.
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In reality, there is no legitimacy to this disinformation story.
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Reports surfacing that the US gov’t had open source intelligence back in Feb 2019, before Trump/Zelinsky phone call, and before Zelinsky was elected President that Ukraine was planning on reopening the Burisma investigation. Nabu (FBI like agency in Ukraine) that fights corruption, requested an opening of the investigation of Burisma, it’s owner and suspicious transactions in their account. NABU prepares draft notice of suspicion on episode involving ex-minister Zlochevsky | KyivPost - Ukraine's Global Voice

And in fact on March 28th the Ukraine general prosecutor agreed to the request and filed a 15 page notice of suspicion alleging there may be illicit funds running through Burisma from 2010 until 2015. Think about that date…And the notice of suspicion stated specifically the 3.4million paid to Hunter Biden may have been the illicit funds that were moving through Burisma.

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Then in April the prosecutor’s open source intelligence made another request for an agency to assist in going through these bank records. Funny this was all omitted from the whistle blowers complaint, why?? Didn’t fit his narrative?

 
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Ridgerunner said:
how can you possibly equate them to the murder of a million children a year?
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I don’t.

We are discussing Trump in this thread, and here are the other reasons why impeachment should take place:

Emoluments (including that he has spent over 100 million of our taxes golfing at his own properties)
Intimidation of witnesses
Firing of Comey
Obstruction (attempted) of the Russian investigation
Attack on Iraq to appease Republican senators and possibly John Bolton (and all other AIPAC affiliates)
Requesting a foreign government to do an investigation to discredit the Mueller
Use of campaign funds to buy the silence of mistresses
Inciting violence, including the terrorist act in El Paso

The possible conflict of interest with Russian debtors I mentioned above.
 
OneSheep said:
here are the other reasons why impeachment should take place:Emoluments (including that he has spent over 100 million of our taxes golfing at his own properties)Intimidation of witness Firing of ComeyObstruction (attempted) of the Russian investigationAttack on Iraq to appease Republican senators and possibly John Bolton (and all other AIPAC affiliates)Requesting a foreign government to do an investigation to discredit the Mueller
Use of campaign funds to buy the silence of mistresses Inciting violence, including the terrorist act in El Paso
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No, the actual reason is:

HE

BEAT

HILLARY
 
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Democrats think he should be impeached because of the evidence. The evidence that Republicans won’t dare address. The evidence the GOP is deathly afraid to look at.
Let’s call this what this is. A partisan cover up
 
I watched some of the proceedings on CNN last night. What I thought was hilarious was that every exhibit had the label “Democrats’ Evidence” at the top right of the picture. It just reinforces that this is not the House’s action, it is the democratic party’s.
 
Maximus1 said:
Let’s call this what this is. A partisan cover up
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Absolutely, Dems are covering up their (Hillary) Russian collusion and their (Biden) threatening Ukraine by accusing others of same
 
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I think you are learning the defense tactic well.
I read your post. Every single thing you wrote points in every direction except one.
The impeachment.
And it’s facts.
It is like Catholic evangelists only talking about Islam.
Why not talk about the facts in this impeachment in a conversation about this impeachment? Lol.
Please, nobody hold your breath waiting for the GOP ADDRESSING THE ACTUAL FACTS
 
And covering up those illicit US taxpayers funds that flowed into Hunter Biden’s bank account. How many flowed into Soros account and then into his friends. One of his “anti-corruption” Ukrainian organizations received millions of US taxpayers"aid" from Hillary’s State Dept.to fight corruption. Would like to know how that money was spent or not spent for that matter…
 
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Maximus1 said:
Every single thing you wrote points in every direction except one. The impeachment. And it’s facts.
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Hearsay isn’t facts , yet another reason we know that verdict tale was bs
 
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It is funny. Not only did the US government policy ask Biden to do what he did.
Not only did the entire European Union allies want it.
Republican Senator Johnson and another GOP SENATOR ALSO DEMANDED IT.
THE comparison with what Trump did is desperate and absurd.
This is a Trump impeachment with a GOP cover up. That’s the subject. Not Biden. Hillary, Nixon, George Washington or Mean Jean Okerland
 
Maximus1 said:
Why not talk about the facts in this impeachment in a conversation about this impeachment? Lol. Please, nobody hold your breath waiting for the GOP ADDRESSING THE ACTUAL FACTS
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Why are Dems hiding the Whistleblower who is genesis of the impeachment?

So much for “American people knowing the truth”

Why did Schiff lie he never met with whistleblower before complaint?

Why did Whistleblower lie that never met w Congress?

Why are Dems not calling Whistleblower after Schiff saying he would?

The list of “facts” of impeachment Dems are ignoring is endless
 
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Hearsay?
Let me help understand that objection.
Your honor Trump obstructed Congress fair and square.
He blocked witnesses like Bolton.
He refused to hand over contemporaneous notes.
In short he obstructed Congress by refusing to hand over what was asked for which would eliminate every hearsay objection.
His accomplices in the Senate intend to assist this hiding of the truth.
We ask you to grant our hearsay objection on the basis that Trump pulled off this criminal caper fair and square.
 
Trump’s attempt to manufacture dirt on his political opponent is relevant of course.
 
One reason is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF WENT ON TV, said whoever it is committed treason, and deserves the death penalty.
That sort of defeats the WHISLEBLOWER statute big time.
 
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