Impossible to find the true church

[excaliber]

Eusebius wrote the history of the Church in the fourth century. He noted the primacy of the Bishop of Rome that had existed since the first day. The Orthodox, rejecting that authority, departed from communion with the Bishop of Rome and went their own way. This occurred after the canon of the NT was closed. I do not know what their OT canon is, but we can only pray they are reunited with the one Church.

Rejecting the chair of Peter is an indication that they separated themselves and the Catholic remains the One True Church.

what are the earliest writings that
speak of the athority of Rome.
I think some people say there is no evidence it existed before the 4th century.

I always wounderd why the Pope was not given the ability to show a visible sign that God apointed him head of the church.
Like moses was able to do?

 

[Mannyfit75]

what are the earliest writings that
speak of the athority of Rome.
I think some people say there is no evidence it existed before the 4th century.

I always wounderd why the Pope was not given the ability to show a visible sign that God apointed him head of the church.
Like moses was able to do?

God did in the Person of Jesus Christ.

The Gospel of Matthew Chapter 16:14-20.

Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare’a Philip’pi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?”

[14] And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli’jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
[15] He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
[16] Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
[17] And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
[18] And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
[20] Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

Jesus appointed Peter as the Rock which he will build his Church. Peter, our first Pope.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Actually, it was not the fourth century. it’s as early as the late 1st Century:

“The church of God which sojourns at Rome to the church of God which sojourns at Corinth … But if any disobey the words spoken by him through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and in no small danger.” Clement of Rome, Pope, 1st Epistle to the Corinthians, 1,59:1 (c. A.D. 96).

“Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Mast High God the Father, and of Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is sanctified and enlightened by the will of God, who farmed all things that are according to the faith and love of Jesus Christ, our God and Saviour; the Church which presides in the place of the region of the Romans, and which is worthy of God, worthy of honour, worthy of the highest happiness, worthy of praise, worthy of credit, worthy of being deemed holy, and which presides over love…” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Romans, Prologue (A.D. 110).

"There is extant also another epistle written by Dionysius to the Romans, and addressed to Soter, who was bishop at that time. We cannot do better than to subjoin some passages from this epistle…In this same epistle he makes mention also of Clement’s epistle to the Corinthians, showing that it had been the custom from the beginning to read it in the church. His words are as follows: To-day we have passed the Lord’s holy day, in which we have read your epistle. From it, whenever we read it, we shall always be able to draw advice, as also from the former epistle, which was written to us through Clement.’ Dionysius of Corinth, To Pope Soter (A.D. 171).

“Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre- eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:3:2 (A.D. 180).

 

[Mannyfit75]

"A question of no small importance arose at that time. For the parishes of all Asia, as from an older tradition, held that the fourteenth day of the moon, on which day the Jews were commanded to sacrifice the lamb, should be observed as the feast of the Saviour’s Passover. It was therefore necessary to end their fast on that day, whatever day of the week it should happen to be. But it was not the custom of the churches in the rest of the world to end it at this time, as they observed the practice which, from apostolic tradition, has prevailed to the present time, of terminating the fast on no other day than on that of the resurrection of our Saviour…Thereupon Victor, who presided over the church at Rome, immediately attempted to cut off from the common unity the parishes of all Asia, with the churches that agreed with them, as heterodox; and he wrote letters and declared all the brethren there wholly excommunicated.” Pope Victor & Easter (c. A.D. 195).

“And he says to him again after the resurrection, ‘Feed my sheep.’ It is on him that he builds the Church, and to him that he entrusts the sheep to feed. And although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single Chair, thus establishing by his own authority the source and hallmark of the (Church’s) oneness. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, and it is (thus) made clear that there is but one flock which is to be fed by all the apostles in common accord. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness of Peter, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the Church? This unity firmly should we hold and maintain, especially we bishops, presiding in the Church, in order that we may approve the episcopate itself to be the one and undivided.” Cyprian, The Unity of the Church, 4-5 (A.D. 251-256).

“After such things as these, moreover, they still dare–a false bishop having been appointed for them by, heretics–to set sail and to bear letters from schismatic and profane persons to the throne of Peter, and to the chief church whence priestly unity takes its source; and not to consider that these were the Romans whose faith was praised in the preaching of the apostle, to whom faithlessness could have no access.” Cyprian, To Cornelius, Epistle 54/59:14 (A.D. 252).

”The reason for your absence was both honorable and imperative, that the schismatic wolves might not rob and plunder by stealth nor the heretical dogs bark madly in the rapid fury nor the very serpent, the devil, discharge his blasphemous venom. So it seems to us right and altogether fitting that priests of the Lord from each and every province should report to their head, that is, to the See of Peter, the Apostle." Council of Sardica, To Pope Julius (A.D. 342).

“And this case likewise is to be provided for, that if in any province a bishop has some matter against his brother and fellow-bishop, neither of the two should call in as arbiters bishops from another province. But if perchance sentence be given against a bishop in any matter and he supposes his case to be not unsound but good, in order that the question may be reopened, let us, if it seem good to your charity, honour the memory of Peter the Apostle, and let those who gave judgment write to Julius, the bishop of Rome, so that, if necessary, the case may be retried by the bishops of the neighbouring provinces and let him appoint arbiters; but if it cannot be shown that his case is of such a sort as to need a new trial, let the judgment once given not be annulled, but stand good as before.” Council of Sardica, Canon III (A.D. 343-344).

 

[po18guy]

I am going to rcia today.
However…mabey the information Im getting is incorect…but it sounds like the Orthodox have the same Apostolic line as the Catholic Church…minus the inquisition…minus the wich hunts…
minus the crusades…minus the coruption that led to the rebellion of thousands of denominations, all trying to clean up christianity.

Its possible Im wrong, but now you know why the Orthodox give some doubts.

First, you must separate the truth that the Church teaches from any and all errors made by her members. Once you do that, it’s much easier.

The Inquisition is greatly misunderstood, and was a combination of Church and State, with the State punishing. In fact, the courts of the Inquisition were considered much more fair than civil or secular courts, and many sought vindication there.

The witch hunts were Protestant. Period.

Ah, yes, the Crusades. We are facing yet another onslaught of Islam, with similar results. The Crusades were in defense of the faith against forced conversions to Islam. Did the Crusades lose their focus and commit some atrocities? Of course. No human endeavor has ever been free of error. But, know this: You have a choice of religion only because of the Crusades. If not for them, you would be facing Mecca five times per day.

The corruption? Certainly there was corruption amongst members of the Church. Again, you must separate this corruption, which was never taught, from the truth, the entire deposit of faith which the Church possesses. Recall also that there was a “Catholic Reformation” begun before Luther ever spoke a word. And, it cleaned things up nicely.

 

[po18guy]

what are the earliest writings that
speak of the athority of Rome.
I think some people say there is no evidence it existed before the 4th century.

I always wounderd why the Pope was not given the ability to show a visible sign that God apointed him head of the church.
Like moses was able to do?

The first mention of it is in The Acts of the Apostles.

People say a lot of things about the Church, so one must investigate all claims.

Christ Himself made Simon (Peter/Kepha/Cephas/Kepa) the foundation of His earthly Church in Matthew 16. He gave Peter the keys to the gates of Heaven. He gave Peter and the Apostles power over sin, as well as “whatever” they held bound. They bound Peter’s authority to his successors. That’s history. Never before had man received such power. Moses did not have that power.

Also consider:

Peter is mentioned 195 times in the NT. The next closest is John, “the beloved disciple” at 29 times. Peter is always listed first among the Apostles (Mt 10:2-5, Mk 3:16-19, Lk 6:14-17, Acts 1:13)

Also, you read “Peter and the rest of the Apostles” or “Peter and his companions” (Lk 9:32, Mk 16:7, Acts 2:37), revealing his position amongst them

Also, Peter was the only Apostle who:

Walked on water (Matthew 14:30) Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus…

He also:

Raised the dead: (Acts 9:36-42) In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor. About that time she became sick and died, and her body was washed and placed in an upstairs room. Lydda was near Joppa; so when the disciples heard that Peter was in Lydda, they sent two men to him and urged him, “Please come at once!” Peter went with them, and when he arrived he was taken upstairs to the room. All the widows stood around him, crying and showing him the robes and other clothing that Dorcas had made while she was still with them. Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, “Tabitha, get up.” She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called the believers and the widows and presented her to them alive. This became known all over Joppa, and many people believed in the Lord.

His healings were individually recorded: Acts 3:3-8 When he saw Peter and John about to enter, he asked them for money. Peter looked straight at him, as did John. Then Peter said, “Look at us!” So the man gave them his attention, expecting to get something from them. Then Peter said, “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.” Taking him by the right hand, he helped him up, and instantly the man’s feet and ankles became strong. He jumped to his feet and began to walk. Then he went with them into the temple courts, walking and jumping, and praising God.

And, this is not well known from scripture:

Peter was sent to the Gentiles as well as Paul: Acts 15:7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe”.

Christ’s peace be with you on your journey.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Well, the New Testament is very Catholic, so by Scripture alone, the Catholic Church is the Church of Christ. Of course there is also the line of sucession of Popes which date all the way back to Saint Peter, so by historical evidence, the Catholic Church is the Church of Christ. And you can’t forget about the Church Fathers, all of whom were Catholic in their writings, so by the evidence of the Fathers, the Catholic Church is the Church of Christ.

I’ve studied a lot of the Scriptures, Church Fathers, and the historicity of the Popes, wanting to see if they really matched up with what the Church taught or if the Church was lying to all the faithful (I was in a period of doubt), and after my suspscisons against the Catholic Church’s autheticity were relieved, I now know that the Catholic Church is the one true Church of Christ.

Amen that was a good post Nickname and testimony to the One Holy Catholic Apostolic church. Your comment is very edifying thank you, and welcome home.

Peace

 

[excaliber]

These posts are very good.

I always wanted to know about the bibles.

The Orthodox have MORE books then the Catholics.

do we have any proof that there books are not inspierd?

Dose anyone know much about the Orthodox Holy fire?
Dose it actualy come from Jesus tomb and light only Orthodox torches? Im sure there is video of this.

 

[ronald_g_w]

It is impossible to be sure!!!
It is obviously between Catholic and Orthodox. These are the only two that Jesus could have started.

THE TRUE CHURCH MUST TEACH AND OPPERATE WITH ALL OF THE FOLLOWING POINTS

1. CHRIST ORGANIZED THE CHURCH
   Eph 4:11-14
   11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
   12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
   13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
   14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
2. BEAR THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
   Eph 5:23
   23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
3. MUST HAVE A FOUNDATION OF APOSTLES AND PROPHETS
   Eph 2:19-20
   19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
   20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
4. MUST HAVE THE SAME ORGANIZATION AS CHRIST’S CHURCH
   Eph 4:11-14
   11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
   12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
   13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
   14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
   And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5. MUST CLAIM DIVINE AUTHORITY
   Heb 5:4-10
   5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
   6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
   7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
   8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
   9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
   10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
6. MUST HAVE NO PAID MINISTRY
   1 Peter 5:2
   2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
   Isa 46:13
   13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
7. MUST BAPTIZE BY IMMERSION
   Matt 3:13-16
   13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
   14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
   15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
   16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

 

[ronald_g_w]

Continued from #50

8MUST BESTOW THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST BY THE LAYING ON OF HANDS
Acts 8:14-17
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

1. MUST PRACTISE DEVINE HEALING
   Mark 3:14-15
   14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,
   15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:
2. MUST TEACH THAT GOD AND JESUS CHRIST ARE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT INDIVIDUALS
   John 17:11
   11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
   John 20:17
   17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

11 MUST TEACH THAT GOD AND JESUS HAVE BODIES OF FLESH AND BONE
Luke 24:36-39
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Acts 1:9-11
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1. THE OFFICERS MUST BE CALLED BY GOD
   Heb 5:4
   4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
   Exodus 26:1
   1 AND take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and eIthamar, Aaron’s sons.
   Exodus 40:13-16
   13 And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office.
   14 And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:
   15 And thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father, that they may minister unto me in the priest’s office: for their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations.
   16 Thus did Moses: according to all that the LORD commanded him, so did he.
2. MUST CLAIM REVELATION FROM GOD
   Amos 3:7
   7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
3. MUST BE A MISSIONARY CHURCH
   Matt 28:19-20
   19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
   20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
4. MUST BE A RESTORED CHURCH
   Acts 3:19-20
   19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
   20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
5. MUST PRACTICE BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD
   1Cor 15:16, 29
   16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
   29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
6. BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM
   Matt 7:20
   20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

WHY ARE THESE THINGS IMPORTANT ?
Heb 13:8
6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

 

[mattkubes]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many lines of scripture ripped completely out of context in one post before. As refreshing as that was, I don’t think he’s even considering the man-made Mormon community.

 

[ralphinal]

How does that verse about Jesus’s body prove that God has flesh and bone?

What denomination are you?

How does the verse about the Church being the Bride of Christ prove it should bare his name? Maden names and all that are not biblical.

I am lost again.

 

[po18guy]

11 MUST TEACH THAT GOD AND JESUS HAVE BODIES OF FLESH AND BONE
Luke 24:36-39
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Acts 1:9-11
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

God has a flesh and bone body? Sorry, Mr. LDS, it is NOWHERE in scripture or prophecy. I just love self-proclaimed “authorities” who make up their own rules, just as Joseph Smith made up a religion out of whole cloth. You’ve been mislead by the demon, my brother.

 

[po18guy]

1. MUST BE A RESTORED CHURCH Acts 3:19-20
   19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
   20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Good grief! Read the whole chapter, if not the entire letter! Paul was speaking of personal refreshment as a result of the forgiveness of sin! This has NOTHING to do with any such phony claim of a “restoration” of anything. So, just what did Christ mean when he said about His Church “the gates of hell will not prevail against it” in Matthew 16? So, Christ lied and con-man, pedophile and fornicator Joseph Smith is to be trusted above Him? This is worse than a joke- it profanes the name of Christ.

1. MUST PRACTICE BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD
   1Cor 15:16, 29
   16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
   29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

This was a practice in ancient Greece, near Corinth, which long since was declared heretical by the early Church. Baptism for the dead was false then, just as it is false now. Do not be deceived by LDS lies and twisting of scripture.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a predatory Mormon attack against the truth, using the “holy lies” and deception that are permitted, if not outright approved in the LDS organization. The LDS organization, whose theology is a moving target, has itself fallen into Saint Peter’s warned-about error: 2 Peter 3:16 (speaking of Paul’s writings) “He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.”

THe LDS uses scripture so well, then it veers off into weirdness by twisting God’s word. I pray for them, as they have been lead astray by the demon.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

It is hard to stand with the latin church, and thus stand against ALL the other seas. It is hard to stand with the Orthodox, and thus stand against the POPE.

as I said IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Satan gets another checkmate, and I hate it…But nothing can be done.

No it’s not!

For one thing, satan doesn’t get that option.

For another:

Where is the “Orthodox” Magisterium?

“He who hears you, hears me.”

Who is the “me” in that if there is no Magisterium?

 

[ronald_g_w]

Good grief! Read the whole chapter, if not the entire letter! Paul was speaking of personal refreshment as a result of the forgiveness of sin! This has NOTHING to do with any such phony claim of a “restoration” of anything. So, just what did Christ mean when he said about His Church “the gates of hell will not prevail against it” in Matthew 16? So, Christ lied and con-man, pedophile and fornicator Joseph Smith is to be trusted above Him? This is worse than a joke- it profanes the name of Christ.

This was a practice in ancient Greece, near Corinth, which long since was declared heretical by the early Church. Baptism for the dead was false then, just as it is false now. Do not be deceived by LDS lies and twisting of scripture.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a predatory Mormon attack against the truth, using the “holy lies” and deception that are permitted, if not outright approved in the LDS organization. The LDS organization, whose theology is a moving target, has itself fallen into Saint Peter’s warned-about error: 2 Peter 3:16 (speaking of Paul’s writings) “He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.”

THe LDS uses scripture so well, then it veers off into weirdness by twisting God’s word. I pray for them, as they have been lead astray by the demon.

answer me this why where others Apostles called to fill the voids if it were not necessary for apostolic sucession as the Cathloic church claims

 

[ronald_g_w]

God has a flesh and bone body? Sorry, Mr. LDS, it is NOWHERE in scripture or prophecy. I just love self-proclaimed “authorities” who make up their own rules, just as Joseph Smith made up a religion out of whole cloth. You’ve been mislead by the demon, my brother.

You say that the ancient of days is God The Father ? If this is the case? Why is he wearing a garment and has Hair if he has no body

 

[ronald_g_w]

Does the Cathloic church practice devine healing as you say you have the Priesthood, and if so why in the 23 years as a Catholic not once did I ever see a single person being healed myself included by the laying on of hands ???

 

[ralphinal]

Does the Cathloic church practice devine healing as you say you have the Priesthood, and if so why in the 23 years as a Catholic not once did I ever see a single person being healed myself included by the laying on of hands ???

There are Catholics with healing ministries. WE just tend to look at it from another perspective.

We hear Jesus say

Matt. 24:24-26
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, Look He is in the desert!, do not go out; or Look, He is in the inner rooms! do not believe it.
If someone tells you, you must come see a great move of God or a great move of the spirit. DO NOT GO! That is a commandment. DO NOT BELIEVE IT. It is a false christ or false prophet. The Holy Spirit will only testify of the truth and Jesus.

So why should we look for signs for faith? Jesus also said

“Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

So again, must we have signs to beleive?

 

[po18guy]

answer me this why where others Apostles called to fill the voids if it were not necessary for apostolic sucession as the Cathloic church claims

I am not sure what you are asking here. The Eleven, minus Judas, laid hands on to appoint successors and this process has been repeated ever since.

As to the LDS, it has never been able to place a name, date, or location on the alleged “great apostasy”. For the LDS to have any credibility at all, this date is a must-know, because the very foundation of the LDS is this very allegation. All that came after this alleged event was not trustworthy, being from an apostatized source.

If it occurred before the the Catholic canon of scripture was closed, then scripture is worthless, being from an apostatized source. If it occurred after, then when? Who? Where? How?

The LDS appears to believe Joseph Smith over Christ. Christ clearly stated that the gates of hell (total apostasy) would not prevail against His church. (Matthew 16)

My comments about being lead astray by the demon are made out of concern for your soul. Only the Holy Spirit unites. The demon divides. I know that, at your current state of inquiry, you are satisfied with the LDS. And, many good people are contained within the organization. However, the truth trumps all. And the truth is Jesus Christ, our eternal Savior.

Christ and the Apostles spoke of false prophets to come and the teachings of Joseph Smith fall 100% into this category. For Catholics, as for all Christians, Christ is the ultimate. He is the final revelation. All subsequent “truths” and “different gospels” are from the demon, who delights in dividing and attacking the Body of Christ.

I came into the Catholic Church. I could have chosen any. I Didn’t. I also have heard, and believe that many LDS members know that, if the LDS is not true, then the Catholic Church is the only other option. Jesus Christ, who awaits you in the Catholic Church, begs you come and worship in His Divine presence. Not a picture or statue, but Him in the flesh.