Infallibly declared dogmas of the Catholic church

[Pai_Nosso]

Im hounded by everybody to elaborate which I didn’t want to do cos I know people will get emotional…

So what do I do, I speak up. And now your gonna flag me. Why? Cos your offended or Im a heretic or something… TSSS whatever…

 

[Pai_Nosso]

Flag me then it means nothing to me…

 

[thistle]

Flag me then it means nothing to me…

When I said “at the risk of being flagged” I was talking about myself!!

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

Because they are only humans after all.

So were Apostles , and our Lord is human too (though also God). Prophets were human, every one who wrote Scriptures was human… Actually how can you trust Apostles if one of them (Judas) betrayed our Lord?

These are new dogmas, so if their not from the bible and their not divine revelation where are they from

From Apostolic faith. Apostles taught people by person, not just by letters. There were 12 Apostles plus Paul, and Bible does not contain word from each of them.

 

[adf417]

@Pai_Nosso
I will ask the important question that may be where the issue is once again-

You dont have a problem with the church declaring the canon of the NT without biblical evidence do you?

Peace!!!

 

[TheLittleLady]

It is a grave sin. To be mortal the other conditions must be met.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Mary was my biggest hurdle.

In order to be Catholic, I had to accept only the 4 Marian Dogmas.

The Four Marian Dogmas

There are four dogmas stating Mary's personal relationship with God and her role in human salvation .

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I did not have to fully understand them, I did not need to be able to compose a thesis on them, I simply had to declare that I believed those 4 were true.

I could do that.

Devotion, relationship, that came years later.

To me, it sounds as if your obstacle is more the authority of the Church than it is the Marian dogmas.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Now I’m meant to concern myself about weather Mary is this or that. Why? I don’t really care about that, its irrelevant to me. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Its a trinity not a quadrinity.

Just as the Jews honored the Ark of the Old Covenant, so is the Ark of the New Covenant due respect. Mary is held up as everything a human should be. This is why we honor her. Not because she is God, but because we should be like her.

These are new dogmas, so if their not from the bible and their not divine revelation where are they from.

They’re from faith tradition, passed down by the apostles. They’re from the same source as the Bible. Why is the Bible worth belief and the rest of tradition not?

Im told to believe something i don’t even know where it came from or don’t even care about.

I’m sorry nobody ever told you why to believe in tradition but that doesn’t mean you can just say it’s worthless.

And if it was so important why not put it in scripture back when it was the word of God. Now, 1800 years later, it’s just the word of man.

Scripture was never meant to be the full collection of all truth that had and ever would be discovered.

In case you haven’t noticed the Catholic clergy has been caught out being extremely dishonest with sexual convictions to priests across the globe in the past few decades. Doesn’t fill me with confidence and trust. Because they are only humans after all.

Yeah, they’re humans. I don’t care; I place my faith in the promise of God. “And upon this rock I shall build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.”

Pope Francis doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence either for the obvious reasons. So to the Vatican 2 saga.

See above. Have faith in the promise of God. He does not forget His promises.

You know the 3rd secret of Fatima right? If u know Mary than u know the revelation about the church collapsing.

So I do u continue to follow the same church that Fatima said is being corrupted?

There is absolutely nothing in the third secret that could even remotely be interpreted to mean anything close to this.

 

[Searching1]

It is a grave sin. To be mortal the other conditions must be met.

Yes. So is your will consenting to the rejection of the dogma? And do you know it is a sin to reject the dogma? If so then the other conditions are met

 

[Joe_5859]

Certainly we must believe the dogmas of the Catholic Church. However, I am a bit reticent to just accept this list at face value. It is presented on a blog without any citations, and it is authored by a layperson with no apparent training in theology.

Not to say that his list is wrong. Maybe it’s not. It would be helpful if he made some sort of comment on how he created the list (or where he found it).

 

[TheLittleLady]

Those who meet those two criteria, especially the second, would of course accept the authority of the Church in matters of faith and reason, being unlikely to reject dogma.

 

[Searching1]

So it is impossible to simultaneously reject the dogma that “God was moved by His Goodness to create the world” and “know” it is a sin to reject a dogma of the Universal Church?

Is it also impossible, then, to ever meet the criteria of mortal sin seeing as how if hold that knowledge of what constitutes “sin” is predicated on the requirement to subscribe to all the dogmas of the Church, then sins are never mortal because of the individual’s ignorance they are such?

You can reject dogma and still know through the natural light of reason something like rejecting a dogma is a sin.

 

[TheLittleLady]

There are people who knowingly reject God, so, just about every other configuration can happen.

What cannot happen is for someone to make a sincere profession of Faith while at the same time knowingly reject any dogma or doctrine. That is like a square circle.

 

[Searching1]

I will personally say that I accept the dogmas around Adam and Eve out of faith alone. These dogmas are harder for me to grasp intellectually than others. I don’t think that amounts to “rejection” (I hope it doesn’t, at least) that I don’t understand how the Church does not reject evolution (neither do I) but also dogmatically believes Adam and Eve appeared on the scene (were created by God) and were also endowed with donum immortalitatis , i.e., the gift of bodily immortality.

 

[po18guy]

Apologies in case they have already been posted. The FIVE precepts of the Church:

1. Attend mass on Sundays and Holy Days of obligation.
2. Confess sins at least once per yer.
3. Receive the Eucharist at least once - and during the Easter season.
4. Fast and abstain on designated days (check with your archdiocese)
5. Contribute to the support of the Church.

This is not rocket science - it is the economy of salvation. Do not listen to those who tell you that you are required to do anything more than this! You are free to, and strongly encouraged to do more, as your love of God impels you to do.

 

[po18guy]

We are called to grant intellectual assent to the doctrines.

IMO, “Dogma” is misleading in this context. All dogma is doctrine, but not all doctrine is dogma.

 

[Lysander]

One should always use the Old Testament along with the New. Can you DM me a dogma you don’t see in holy Scripture and i will try my best to help reveal it.

 

[Searching1]

CCC 2041 The precepts of the Church are set in the context of a moral life bound to and nourished by liturgical life. The obligatory character of these positive laws decreed by the pastoral authorities is meant to guarantee to the faithful the very necessary minimum in the spirit of prayer and moral effort, in the growth in love of God and neighbor.

CCC 891 “The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium,” above all in an Ecumenical Council. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine “for belief as being divinely revealed,” and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions “must be adhered to with the obedience of faith.” This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.

Also…
Straight outta the glossary of the Catechism – “[Dogma is a] solemn declaration by an ecumenical council or by the Pope that a particular doctrine is revealed by God and must [emphasis mine] be believed by the universal Church; such definitions are called infallible, and must be adhered to with the obedience of faith.”

The precepts set forth the indispensable minimum one must engage in for them to be considered a “practicing” Catholic. They say nothing about belief.

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[Vico]

Thanks for the 255 dogma link. I found a PDF I downloaded and will print out. I can’t stand reading anything long online. The PDF so contains 102 certain truths not yet defined by the magisterium.

Which should cover the 426 teachings. A Summary of the Dogmas and Teachings of the Church

 

[po18guy]

I do not see “Doctrine” Would you be so kind?

I agree with everything the Church teaches. I guess that is not enough. I must also agree with everyone’s nitpicky dissection of the deposit of faith.

Life is too short.