Infant vs. Believer's Baptism

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NotWorthy said:
How can a child depart from that which he is not a part of… unless he is a part of it!!!

Yes, yes, we all agree that Faith is essential. Why do you present this as an argument?

Whether baptized as a child or an adult, we must continue with faith and works to “Remain in Me”.
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Every person must choose to have Faith in Jesus to be saved. If a person chooses to turn away from this faith, they reject their own salvation.
 
NotWorthy said:
How can a child depart from that which he is not a part of… unless he is a part of it!!!

Yes, yes, we all agree that Faith is essential. Why do you present this as an argument?

Whether baptized as a child or an adult, we must continue with faith and works to “Remain in Me”.
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The RCC’s definition of baptism is completely wrong. Water baptism does not free you from sin.

You must turn to Jesus in faith and repent to baptized with the Holy Spirit. There’s no other way.
 
believers said:
The RCC’s definition of baptism is completely wrong. Water baptism does not free you from sin.

You must turn to Jesus in faith and repent to baptized with the Holy Spirit. There’s no other way.
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And you are of course the final authority on all things… :rolleyes:
 
believers said:
Every person must choose to have Faith in Jesus to be saved. If a person chooses to turn away from this faith, they reject their own salvation.
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Salvation is a process, Believes, not an emotional overture! Catholic infants who have been baptized must develope this Faith in order to remain in the Covenant.
 
believers said:
The RCC’s definition of baptism is completely wrong. Water baptism does not free you from sin.

You must turn to Jesus in faith and repent to baptized with the Holy Spirit. There’s no other way.
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Translation:
The Early Church during Apostolic Times is completely wrong.
St. Paul in his declaration to the jailor is completely wrong.
The Entire History of Christianity is completely wrong.

Why? Because believers said so!
 
NotWorthy said:
Salvation is a process, Believes, not an emotional overture! Catholic infants who have been baptized must develope this Faith in order to remain in the Covenant.
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It’s like this… you are either on God’s plan of salvation or you’re not. There is no in between.
 
NotWorthy said:
Salvation is a process, Believes, not an emotional overture! Catholic infants who have been baptized must develope this Faith in order to remain in the Covenant.
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Salvation is not a process. It is a choice. Choose Jesus and repent or choose to suffer.

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick:** I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.**

Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but **sinners to repentance. **
 
Anabaptists started this heresy I think, but I am not sure. I will check where this rebaptism heresy started from.
 
believers said:
It’s like this… you are either on God’s plan of salvation or you’re not. There is no in between.
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Wow!!! You’re preaching that to a Catholic?!?!?

That’s what we’ve been trying to say for 2000 years!!!
 
NotWorthy said:
What about
  1. Choose Jesus
  2. Falter
  3. Confession and Reconciliation
  4. Repeat if necessary
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If you don’t repent, you will not be baptized with the Holy Spirit. If you’re not baptized with the Holy Spirit. You are not saved.

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick:** I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance**.

Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
 
believers said:
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick:** I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance**.

Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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OK, we’re going to serve and volley?

"If you remain in me and my words remain in you” and “If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love"
 
Hellisreal said:
Why did Jesus tell the apostles to do it then?:confused:
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Why did Jesus need to die if water washed away their sin? Here’s why…

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
 
believers said:
Why did Jesus need to die if water washed away their sin?

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
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believers, you are showing an amazing ignorance of either Scripture or Catholic Doctrine with your opening statement.

What person is trying to tell you that Water Baptism negates or overrides the Sacrifice on Calvary? It is through Water Baptism that brings us into the Covenant that Jesus brought into the world on Calvary.
 
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