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I would appreciate any advice and guidance that anyone could provide for me. I am in the worst situation of my entire life.

I am engaged, and have been for the last 10 months, to a wonderful, caring, beautiful, loving woman. We have (had) what I would consider almost the perfect relationship. If nothing else, I was never more myself, and never more honest with anyone else about anything, ever. Just as background, we’ve struggled with living in chastity, and at the beginning of our relationship, we had sex a number of times, but since were able to grow in strength and love to want to save that gift for our future marriage together (outside of a few other slip ups, we were doing really). I really and truly felt that we were ready for the challenges that marriage would bring, of forging one life out of two.

Last week I did a terrible, awful, despicable thing. I was away for the week on a business trip, went out drinking with coworkers, and ended up in the hotel room of another woman. We did not have sex, but we more than trespassed any bounds of decency or chastity. I don’t mean to cause scandal, but clothes were off. This was as bad as it gets without being as bad as it gets.

I am now tortured by what I’ve done. I figured that step one was honesty, but I did that only to a certain degree - I told my fiance the next day that I had made out with someone, and denied that there was a hotel room involved, or anything beyond kissing. It hurts me almost as bad as what I’ve done to lie to her, we were always so honest we could always be with each other, even about our failings. She continued to press to ensure that nothing else had happened, and I denied it still. She as much as said that she couldn’t marry me if I’d had sex with the woman - which I almost did.

My fiance, of course, was devastated, as we had struggled for so long for purity, and had developed a deep trust in each other. I prided myself my whole life that I had never cheated on anyone, and remember clearly thinking less than a week previously that I could imagine how someone could do that to one they loved. And now I am that someone.

My question is basically a cry for help, any advice, guidance that anyone can give. There is a part of me that is tortured by the fact that I wasn’t completely honest with her, and I want radical honesty in my marriage. I also, however, can’t bear the additional hurt this would cause her (it’s been a week, and things are starting to normalize), and I’m terrified of losing her, which I believe to be a real possibility. I truly believe that we could be truly happy together.

Of course the first thing most would say, I suppose, is that I’m not ready for marriage. I would probably say the same if I heard this story…it’s painful for me to read it, knowing that I am now the kind of person that I previously would have pitied and looked down upon.

Oh, and of course, I went to confession immediately. My confessor didn’t seem to be too concerned about this, obviously noted that I should go out of my way to accomodate my fiance and her feelings in this time, but said that it would be imprudent, having already told her some of the story, to reveal the rest. I am obviously considering that option seriously. I am still afraid, however, of this weighing on me, of having this secret kept from her for the rest of my life. I am also of course forced to doubt, for the first time since we talked about marriage over two years ago, whether we should be getting married now. I believe myself to be ready; I am very realistic about the challenges ahead, and about my love for her. I was so out of my head that night, I can’t even believe it. I am still screaming at myself in the past, reliving it, hoping that if I imagine it going differently enough times, I can change the past. I know my thoughts would be better spent reaching out to Jesus and Mary, but this pain is so deep, and I know I simply don’t deserve her anymore, if I ever did.

Should I tell her the rest? Or should I learn to accept and move on - I didn’t, in the end, keep the reality that I’d been unfaithful from her. The wedding is in June; push it back? The thought of pushing it back, or postponing inevitably brings tears to my eyes, I have been so excited for that day, and felt so ready. And not even just feel, I had prayed and though and planned…I had really come to the honest intellectual conclusion that we were ready.I feel my life unravel when I think about this; a week ago was in a solid, loving relationship with my best friend and love of my life. Any advice is welcome.

And if nothing else, please please pray for me, and for us. Sorry for this post being so long.
 
Hi third;

I’m sorry that this happened:( …that you had a moment of weakness, and that you ended up hurting your fiancee. The thing about ‘affairs’ ‘one night stands’ etc…is that they rarely have to do with ‘not being ready for commitment.’ Although, commitment issues are wrapped up with one night stands, affairs, etc…it’s not the whole story. I have had friends and family who have cheated, and the common thread that bonds all of these people together, is that they lacked self esteem. Yep. Usually, affairs, etc are about the person who is cheating–their need for attention, flattery, etc…not really sex. Sex is the byproduct, but you would not have sought out the woman (perhaps if you were not drinking, too is a possiblity) but if you felt confident/completely positive about yourself. Not saying you don’t–but something is lacking. You also shouldn’t be ‘terrified of losing’ someone. I noted that while reading your post. So–my advice…whether or not your fiancee stays with you–(which I hope she does!) – is to seek help of what it is that might be eating at you to a) cheat and b) be terrified of losing your fiancee. I think it’s obvious that any of us who are madly in love with our spouses, gf’s, bf’s…would be devestated if the relationship ended. But, to be terrified, is a different thing. People who cheat are also fearful of things–commitment being on of them–but usually not having that ‘something’ that they need to find. (and try to find in someone else) You never cheated before–and you went to your priest…and you didn’t have sex, per se…I know that God is all merciful…I pray that your fiancee forgives you, and you both can move on. However–I think it wouldn’t be imprudent of her to postpone being engaged to you–so you can seek out some help for why you did what you did. Some may tell you…‘ah, you’re just sowing wild oats.’ Nah. You are an aware and seemingly devout Catholic…and a good Catholic, from the sounds of it. So glad you took this to confession! But–Your weakness means something–find out what it means…then, and only then–will you be able to forgive yourself, and move forward past it. I hope I’ve helped. I am too sorry for a long reply!:o You are in my prayers, my brother in Christ.
 
Like the lady said, “The devils favorite color is grey.” She had a long reply but it was summed up in her saying. I wonder if she knew. God bless whatevergirl, and Fr. Corapi for that on liner.
 
Whatevergirl-

I appreciate your respons and your insight. Believe me, I have considered that my first priority in this is to figure out how and why this happened (alcohol was a big part, and it probably wouldn’t have happened without that, but it wasn’t all of it.)

My first reaction is to say that I never really thought of myself as lacking in self esteem. I actually think that for much of my life I’ve been too proud. One of the most disappointing things about this is that I know that my fiancee adored me, and one of the things that made it easier for her to do that was the notion that I was not a guy who would ever do something like this. I thought that of myself.

But it occurred to me after reading your reply that through our struggles with impurity, I do have a tendency to be very hard on myself, and tended to try to come down harder and harder each time we messed up. It’s like I would wind myself up to be so strict, and then blow it by just giving up self control for an instant. That this would happen with someone else I still can’t grasp … and it did feel so utterly wrong, I just didn’t stop. I guess I did like the flattery of it. You are probably on to something. Once again, I appreciate the advice, support, and prayers.
 
Listen to the words of your confessor–do not tell her anymore. all that would do is to cause her more hurt.
 
Listen to the words of your confessor–do not tell her anymore. all that would do is to cause her more hurt.
I’d already kind of been following that path for the time being. But is sparing the hurt worth being dishonest, and potentially covering up a problem that may only resurface later? Not that I think the cheating could or would happen again, I was thinking more of whatever issue lies underneath. I don’t know.
 
Thanks to those who take the time to post. For anyone who still follows this thread…

I was thinking about what whatevergirl said about being ‘terrified’ of losing her. I mean, I am, but I think more in the sense of being devastated. I never had this sense before this happened of just being plain scared. Maybe I’m also afraid of the embarassment that postponing a wedding would cause (and I know perfectly well that’s not a good reason not to postpone). Basically though, when I think of my life, I believe that it would be truly happy and blessed with her, with lots of joy and children. She brings out the best in me. She will be a wonderful mother. She’s terrifically loyal and loving. I don’t want to lose that. My life makes sense with her, not just in a gushy romantic sense, but in a real and intellectually honest sense. Losing her in that sense is what I am “terrified” of, just in that it would be devastating.

Although, of course, I’ve devastated her by doing this.
 
I know what you mean. Look up Christopher West and read or listen to “Theology of the Body”. Dont dwell on it but learn from it. You are forgiven even though the devil would want you to believe differently.
 
Thanks to those who take the time to post. For anyone who still follows this thread…

I was thinking about what whatevergirl said about being ‘terrified’ of losing her. I mean, I am, but I think more in the sense of being devastated. I never had this sense before this happened of just being plain scared. Maybe I’m also afraid of the embarassment that postponing a wedding would cause (and I know perfectly well that’s not a good reason not to postpone). Basically though, when I think of my life, I believe that it would be truly happy and blessed with her, with lots of joy and children. She brings out the best in me. She will be a wonderful mother. She’s terrifically loyal and loving. I don’t want to lose that. My life makes sense with her, not just in a gushy romantic sense, but in a real and intellectually honest sense. Losing her in that sense is what I am “terrified” of, just in that it would be devastating.

Although, of course, I’ve devastated her by doing this.
We will keep you in our prayers…I didn’t mean to imply anything:blush: --just taking some guesses, from seeing and hearing things from people I know who have been in similiar spots. I think you have asked for forgiveness of God and your fiancee–now to forgive yourself. That is always the hardest part.:o I think you being devestated is a realistic feeling. I hope that she gives this a chance to work out. God bless you, third!
 
Thanks, whatevergirl, believe it or not, you’ve actually been a considerable help. I hope I didn’t sound defensive, I was just trying to honestly evaluate what you were saying to how it applies… it was a good suggestion, and I still think that might be part of it! I know that I do have a very hard time forgiving myself for these kinds of sins, and this is probably far worse than what I’ve done before, because it directly hurt someone that I love deeply. (Not that we aren’t hurt every time we sin… but this was additionally an act of betrayal against her, as well as against God.)

I guess my question still is, should I tell her the rest, or leave it as a random make out?
 
Thanks, whatevergirl, believe it or not, you’ve actually been a considerable help. I hope I didn’t sound defensive, I was just trying to honestly evaluate what you were saying to how it applies… it was a good suggestion, and I still think that might be part of it! I know that I do have a very hard time forgiving myself for these kinds of sins, and this is probably far worse than what I’ve done before, because it directly hurt someone that I love deeply. (Not that we aren’t hurt every time we sin… but this was additionally an act of betrayal against her, as well as against God.)

I guess my question still is, should I tell her the rest, or leave it as a random make out?
I’d pray about that, and see how God leads you. Too much info is not really necessary–but I can totally understand her curiousity. The struggle she might have too–is that you both ‘vowed’ to wait until marriage…have struggled to remain chaste. And she may also have feelings of anger of that, as well…so, on a few levels, she may feel betrayed. I would not give any details, as I don’t see it helping the situation…and you told her the truth, which is very good. At this point, let’s say, she leaves you. That would be horrible–but you would live. 😉 For now, your heart would be broken, but it is what it is, now–just continue to be loving (and patient), like your priest suggested, and see where it leads. I hope for the best!!🙂
 
I’d already kind of been following that path for the time being. But is sparing the hurt worth being dishonest, and potentially covering up a problem that may only resurface later? Not that I think the cheating could or would happen again, I was thinking more of whatever issue lies underneath. I don’t know.
You committed the sin, you get to deal with the consequences. You’ve already crushed her. If you told her, you would likely gain some relief from the honesty, but she** would be completely devastated, even more so than she is now. You’ve confessed the sin; take the advice of your priest and keep the gory details to yourself. She doesn’t need that burden. She doesn’t need to spend the rest of her life wondering if she can compare to the other woman and fearing that she can’t, as the other woman was enough to tempt you from chastity so quickly after meeting her. If you honestly don’t think that you can keep from cheating on your future wife again, then tell her the truth so that she can leave and find someone who will cherish her and only her as she deserves.**
 
SeekJen -

I know that right now I should be dealing with the consequences, and that’s what I’m hoping to get at. It’s just that I’ve had to lie since then, as she seeks the reassurance of asking me that all we did was make out. In other words, we (by my fault, my fault, my most grievous fault) have lost what was truly a radical openness and honesty that we once had. That’s what I’m dealing with. I either risk the relationship by telling her, or risks the depths of that relationship, by not telling her. I don’t know.

And yes, I make me sick too. Not that this changes how despicable the thing done is, I honestly don’t think that I’m going to have a problem not cheating on my future wife. If anything, I’m trying to find the best way to establish a foundation that ensures that this never happens again.

Thanks for all of your (name removed by moderator)ut again, and God bless.
 
You committed the sin, you get to deal with the consequences. You’ve already crushed her. If you told her, you would likely gain some relief from the honesty, but she**** would be completely devastated, even more so than she is now. You’ve confessed the sin; take the advice of your priest and keep the gory details to yourself. She doesn’t need that burden. She doesn’t need to spend the rest of her life wondering if she can compare to the other woman and fearing that she can’t, as the other woman was enough to tempt you from chastity so quickly after meeting her. If you honestly don’t think that you can keep from cheating on your future wife again, then tell her the truth so that she can leave and find someone who will cherish her and only her as she deserves.

WHAT SHE SAID TIMES 10!!! If you want to marry her, do not tell her and force the burden on her. If you need to ‘work this out’ go talk to a counselor or priest - the problem is YOURS! I wish you the best!
 
I don’t know the right answer here. Certainly consider discussing it in detail with your priest outside the confessional.

My worry is this: If this really would be a deal breaker for her, doesn’t she have the right to know the truth? **If she wouldn’t marry a man who did what you did, she needs to know what you did. **Would withholding the truth be grounds for annulment in the future?

You talk about how wonderful she is for you, but does she not get to decide for herself how wonderful you are for her? She doesn’t know everything she needs to know about you.

I understand if you were already married, perhaps it would make sense to spare her more pain, but she has not yet married you and needs this information to make her decision.

I am sorry that this sounds harsh. I know you have been absolved from this sin, but that doesn’t mean that all the consequences go away. One of those consequences may be that she will postpone or cancel the wedding. I can imagine how painful that would be, but do you want a marriage where you cannot be completely honest with each other?

You know, it sounds as if she suspects you are being dishonest. You may lose her anyway if she finds out or forces you to tell her more rather than coming clean now.

But, mostly I would advise talk to your priest, rather than taking the advice of strangers on the internet.
 
I have to agree with smswife.

Was this before or after you spoke to the priest when she asked you if it was “more than a makeout” and whether or not a hotel room was involved? Did the priest actually advise you to lie to her to hide the truth, or did he just trust that you told her more or less what actually happened and she got the idea and there is no need to go into details? I would think there would be a significant difference between the two.

I too think she might sense you are holding back. If the priest doesn’t know that you are lying to her about the circumstances, I think it might be a good idea to go back and talk to him. The thought of starting off a marriage based on dishonesty doesn’t sit well with me, personally, but I can only say so much since I don’t know all of the circumstances.

I’ve heard stories of men that have turned to the rosary and marian devotions to help them with chastity issues, and of course doing things in the future to avoid the occasion of sin, like maybe limiting the number of drinks in an evening, not being alone in the company of a woman unless it’s kept short or strictly business, etc.
 
I do definitely agree not to tell her any more of the details. Your uncomfortableness with the weight of this is probably the penance that you need, so do not go and dump it on her. She knows all that she needs to know to evaluate whether to stay or leave. Details like that it took place in a hotel room, with or without clothes probably would not make the difference…the betrayal is still there…and if actual sex was the line in the sand, well then you are still on the same side of that line.

Touching more on some of what whatevergirl was saying…I do think that there probably are issues inside of you that you do need to take a look at it. The most efficient and surest way to do that is with a counselor. I really think going to a counselor will give you the peace of mind that unburdening yourself with the your fiance will never give you. What’s more it is the best way for you to make sure that you address the issue so that you never have to go through this again…and also, it might give your fiance some much needed peace of mind that you really don’t ever want to do this again and that you are serious about ensuring that you not.

I know that men really hate even the thought of counseling, but in a way, that might help you to realize just how much you blew it (that look, you ended up in counseling) and is a whole lot more real and meaningful than flowers.
 
I am going to throw this out there and probably just confuse you more but it MIGHT help…

I always hear that one should not tell the entire truth about what happened when these infidelities occur but I just do not agree. If she is pressing you for details, how long can you keep up the charade? I would want to know the truth so I could decide for myself if I wanted to marry a man who did this. By not telling her you are taking that decision away from her. Also - what happens if she finds out differently? You NEVER know how it can come out. I’d come clean.

It’s not as if you don’t tell her it didn’t happen.
 
I thank everyone for their (name removed by moderator)ut here. I know there are bits of wisdom from everyone, I hope I can put it together for whats best here. I’m still not sure how to proceed, except to try to go find someone to talk to; the only thing thats clearer here is how much I’ve screwed up.
 
Thanks, whatevergirl, believe it or not, you’ve actually been a considerable help. I hope I didn’t sound defensive, I was just trying to honestly evaluate what you were saying to how it applies… it was a good suggestion, and I still think that might be part of it! I know that I do have a very hard time forgiving myself for these kinds of sins, and this is probably far worse than what I’ve done before, because it directly hurt someone that I love deeply. (Not that we aren’t hurt every time we sin… but this was additionally an act of betrayal against her, as well as against God.)

I guess my question still is, should I tell her the rest, or leave it as a random make out?
NO NO NO. Follow what your confessor told you. Telling her would possibly unburden you, but place a greater burden, and more hurt, on her. Rarely does anything good come of that sort of confession. You realized your sin, you’ve confessed and been forgiven. Talk to a Catholic counselor if you feel the need to get to the bottom of things, but don’t make things worse. Pray hard and resolve to NEVER put yourself in that type of situation again.
 
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