Infinite Universes

[Faith1960]

There is no such thing as an infinite amount of universes. This is simply because there is no such thing as an actual existing infinite series. Multiplicity is always actually finite, and only potentially infinite.

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Do you have any credible science to back that up?

 

[Linusthe2nd]

Since God is infinite, how could an infinite multiverse be explained, if, indeed it exists? Doesn’t that go against our faith?

There is no need to obcess over these things? You have God, you have your faith whose truth is guaranteed by the Holy Spirit, why worry about things no one has an answer too? " Sufficient for the day are its own problems. "

Multiverses are possible, but neither you nor science will ever know for certain whether or not they exist. And as to an infinite number of them, well how would anyone ever know about that, you cannot traverse an infinite space to find out? No amount of science will ever be able to prove it, so it is nothing but a red herring. The same to the possibility of our universe being infinite, no one, not even science will ever know. You cannot traverse an infinite space, any more than you can count numbers to infinity.

Relax and don’t pay any attention to these topics which disturb you, good advice given charitably.

Linus2nd

 

[seagal]

If you really want to break your mind around infinites, take a gander at this video by vihart on YouTube. Different science and mathematical disciplines use infinity in different ways and they all mean different things. I don’t pretend to understand most of what she’s saying, just enough to watch with a kind of dumb-struck look. It does help a bit to realize that when quantum physicists talk about infinity they don’t necessarily mean what you think they mean.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

It does help a bit to realize that when quantum physicists talk about infinity they don’t necessarily mean what you think they mean.

And maybe sometimes they don’t even understand what each other means.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

Relax and don’t pay any attention to these topics which disturb you, good advice given charitably.

Linus2nd

I would charitably second that!

All we need to know for a certainty is that God created one universe.

 

[Milasol]

Some cosmologists think there are an infinite number of universes. Does this conflict with the existence of God and Christianity?

I have two names of cosmologist from the book, "Is God Unnecessary? Why Stephen Hawking is Wrong according to the Laws of Physics,"who disagree with infinity universes, Alan Guth and Paul Davies. Are there any others?

It is called string theory.

However it only proves the existence of matter so small that there are 12 dimensions to it.

It has nothing to do with proving God or not. If anything string theory reinforces the causality clause of the cosmological arguments of Kalaam, Aquinas.

It does not tell how matter came to be but how matter really evolved, which in turn denotes an initial causation for TIME.

When time begun so did matter. It doesn’t matter if there are many or one universe. The same argument for a 1st cause still stands with one or many universes.

 

[seagal]

It is called string theory.

However it only proves the existence of matter so small that there are 12 dimensions to it.

It has nothing to do with proving God or not. If anything string theory reinforces the causality clause of the cosmological arguments of Kalaam, Aquinas.

It does not tell how matter came to be but how matter really evolved which in turn denotes an initial causation for TIME.

When time begun so did matter. It doesn’t matter if there are many or one universe. The same argument for a 1st cause still stands with one or many universes.

Exactly!

 

[CrossofChrist]

Aquinas says in Question 47 of his Summa that there is one world.

You can assume that the world is infinite and without God, but you’d have to deny reason and self-evident principles (things as basic as change and existence).

 

[Faith1960]

There is no need to obcess over these things? You have God, you have your faith whose truth is guaranteed by the Holy Spirit, why worry about things no one has an answer too? " Sufficient for the day are its own problems. "

Multiverses are possible, but neither you nor science will ever know for certain whether or not they exist. And as to an infinite number of them, well how would anyone ever know about that, you cannot traverse an infinite space to find out? No amount of science will ever be able to prove it, so it is nothing but a red herring.

I disagree.

 

[Faith1960]

It is called string theory.

However it only proves the existence of matter so small that there are 12 dimensions to it.

It has nothing to do with proving God or not. If anything string theory reinforces the causality clause of the cosmological arguments of Kalaam, Aquinas.

It does not tell how matter came to be but how matter really evolved, which in turn denotes an initial causation for TIME.

When time begun so did matter. It doesn’t matter if there are many or one universe. The same argument for a 1st cause still stands with one or many universes.

Are you saying that regardless of whether there is one universe or an infinite number of universes, God created it or them?

 

[CrossofChrist]

Ok then let’s talk about a hypothetical possibility, even though the most recent information against the possibility for eternal universes was written two years ago and I’ve yet to find anything more current.
What if they do exist? What does that do to the concept of God?

I don’t know if they exist or not but it’s the possibility that they do that has me worried because I’d like to know what eternal multiverses would mean for our faith.

It means absolutely nothing for our faith if science discovered more universes.

 

[CrossofChrist]

Aquinas says in Question 47 of his Summa that there is one world.

You can assume that the world is infinite and without God, but you’d have to deny reason and self-evident principles (things as basic as change and existence).

That’s if you use the fact of multiple/infinite universes as proof of there being no God. Or you’d have to disregard the principle of noncontradiction. Either way the rationality of the universe is being denied and you’re left with defeating yourself since the reason for denying God (science) would have discredited itself by rejecting reason.

 

[Milasol]

Are you saying that regardless of whether there is one universe or an infinite number of universes, God created it or them?

I am saying that whether they exist or not is not a conflict with the existence of God or Christianity.

In fact, I view it as irrelevant. Whether there are many or one universe. Matter as it evolves through time is what anyone can speculate with. Nobody, nobody, nobody, including the smartest brightest scientist can tell you how matter begun or time. That is the bottom line.

These are theories and even these theories don’t conflict with an infinite will

 

[Faith1960]

I am saying that whether they exist or not is not a conflict with the existence of God or Christianity.

In fact, I view it as irrelevant. Whether there are many or one universe. Matter as it evolves through time is what anyone can speculate with. Nobody, nobody, nobody, including the smartest brightest scientist can tell you how matter begun or time. That is the bottom line.

These are theories and even these theories don’t conflict with an infinite will

What is the first cause, then?

 

[Milasol]

FYI the title of this is also not accurate as you will not find proof that the universe or universes are infinite either.

There are theories without proof of infinity.

There are more theories attempting to prove the finality of the universe.

I suggest you read up on Kalaam Aristotle’s cosmological arguments.

 

[Milasol]

What is the first cause, then?

God.

Also, see Aristotle’s cosmological argument.

 

[Faith1960]

Exactly!

Walter Alan Ray, author of Is God Unecessary? Why Stephen Hawking is Wrong According to the Laws of Physics says that we only have two choices, believing in an infinite number of universes or or believing that God created our universe, like their incompatible.

 

[Milasol]

Walter Alan Ray, author of Is God Unecessary? Why Stephen Hawking is Wrong According to the Laws of Physics says that we only have two choices, believing in an infinite number of universes or or believing that God created our universe, like their incompatible.

Sounds like a very interesting book. Thanks

 

[CHCL]

Do you have any credible science to back that up?

Hmmm…Well, science can not back up my statement. There is no way to physically know whether or not there is in fact an infinite amount of universes. However, logically it does not hold up, because, like I pointed out, there can not be an infinite amount of existing things, or an actual existing infinite series.

 

[Faith1960]

Sounds like a very interesting book. Thanks

There’s only 68 pages.