Insulting Christmas

[Matariel]

They are usually Darwinists or Naturalists or something like that.

Although there are Christians who believe in the theory of Evolution too (of course, all Christians believe in micro-evolution [variation within species]).

And… Kwanzaa was invented in the 60’s by a Marxist, and two of the Kwanzaa principles are celebrations of communism/Marxism. It’s sad that people are celebrating a holiday like that…

 

[Tsuwano]

I think I’ll focus on my faith and celebration of the Lord’s nativity this Christmas and not worry too much about someone else’s lack of faith and willingness to celebrate Christmas. Merry Christmas, everyone!

 

[marietta]

And… Kwanzaa was invented in the 60’s by a Marxist, and two of the Kwanzaa principles are celebrations of communism/Marxism. It’s sad that people are celebrating a holiday like that…

Sad for some, but not for those celebrating Kwanzaa. Why not let the Big Gift this holiday season be *tolerance?
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marietta

 

[marietta]

No matter what you say, no matter how you want to try to get around this, no matter how you say anything about this Federal Holiday at all, it remains one thing clear
IT IS THE BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST AND NOT ANYTHING ELSE

From “BrainyHistory”:

December 25, 352 1st definite date Christmas was celebrated on Dec 25th
December 25, 337 Earliest possible date that Christmas was celebrated on Dec 25th
December 25, 1 1st Christmas, according to calendar-maker Dionysus Exiguus

What were they doing between the year 1 and the year 337 (or 352)? What were the early Christians celebrating on December 25th during those years?

Curious.

marietta

 

[Matariel]

Sad for some, but not for those celebrating Kwanzaa. Why not let the Big Gift this holiday season be *tolerance?
*
marietta

Are you saying to be tolerance about Marxism?! It’s totally opposed to American Capitalism (which has its problems too if it is Absolute Capitalism, another no-no).

Ask Karenga about tolerance.

I believe there are many sincere people that do celebrate Kwanzaa, but they do not know of its Marxist and racist principles.

 

[marietta]

I’m not saying “be tolerance” about anything.

You have your God and your festivities. Let others have theirs.

Tolerance. The noun.

marietta

 

[Matariel]

From “BrainyHistory”:

December 25, 352 1st definite date Christmas was celebrated on Dec 25th
December 25, 337 Earliest possible date that Christmas was celebrated on Dec 25th
December 25, 1 1st Christmas, according to calendar-maker Dionysus Exiguus

What were they doing between the year 1 and the year 337 (or 352)? What were the early Christians celebrating on December 25th during those years?

Curious.

marietta

Actually, my priest explained to me before how it was the early priests of the Church who came up with the 25th date trying to be accurate, and that it was probably pretty good conjecture. Unfortunately, I can’t back this up and have no info on it. Please forgive me.

At any rate, it doesn’t matter; The Church honours this day as a celebration of the Nativity of God, so it need not be on the exact day. The Assumption, Immaculate Conception, Annunciation, Epiphany, etc. are probably not at all on the day they occurred, but that’s missing the point; they are liturgical commemorations, and it matters not whether or not they are on the right date at all.

Hope this helps.

 

[wisdom_3_5]

possibly true, and you might have a hate crime case there, BUT that would also make evangelising FOR your christ a hate crime too as the intent of it is to sow doubt in the individual’s mind about the assurance of their salvation/truth of religion.

Maybe from a protestant point of view. The catechism states in # 843:

*The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, **the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him *who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

I don’t know how that would apply to atheists though, since they are not seeking God. Hopefully they would be seeking Truth though.

Anyway, evangelizing Christ used to be against the law. Many of our saints were put to death by the Romans. Eventually Rome fell.

But the creche isn’t there to “sow doubt” about anything in anyone’s mind. Its not there specifically to challenge someone’s faith or lack thereof. The message isn’t one of “you’re dam…d to hell” but “God so loved the world. . .” The athiest’s sign is not positive. Its essentially mocking people who do believe. Its the intent behind the sign that’s the problem.

 

[Matariel]

I’m not saying “be tolerance” about anything.

You have your God and your festivities. Let others have theirs.

Ok, that’s fine. Let everyone tend to their own deity. Agreed.

Tolerance. The noun.

marietta

Well, I will be tolerant, but they better not be intolerant towards Christmas or other Catholic holy days, and I will not say anything about their holidays.

 

[marietta]

Matariel:

:clapping:

marietta

 

[Matariel]

Matariel:

:clapping:

marietta

Merry Christmas (or happy Hannukah, or season’s greetings, or… whatever y’celebrate.)

I’m not trying to be nosy or anything, Marietta (and y’don’t have to tell me if y’don’t want to) but I was wondering, I looked at your profile, and it says “other”. Are you deist, pantheist, pluralist, agnostic, atheist? Just curious, wondering where you’re coming from. You don’t have to tell me if you prefer not to.

 

[marietta]

Matariel:

And peace to you, too.

marietta

 

[Matariel]

Matariel:

And peace to you, too.

marietta

And to your cat, if that’s your cat in the picture. I have two and a dog.

 

[elts1956]

While I do agree with you to some extent and I of course do not agree with this man, he does have something called the right to free speech.

Oh, but my goodness, he mentions the name of “God” on the courthouse steps. :tsktsk: And we ALL KNOW that isn’t allowed, or was that only statements in the positive, like God watches over all of us, or the Ten Commandments?

 

[elts1956]

Christmas is NOT a National Holiday. As a matter of fact, it’s a pagan holiday, and it’s worldwide. Christmas is only protected through the First Amendment: freedom of religion. The Atheist’s message is protected through that same amendment: freedom of speech, press, and petition.

I know it sucks when Atheists go hardcore on religious holidays, but I’m not sure why you’re all getting so offended by it. I highly doubt it will ruin Christmas.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood

Although Christmas is celebrated near the Winter Solstice held by pagans as being sacred, and many of the customs, lore, symbols, and rituals associated with “Christmas” actually are linked to Winter Solstice celebrations of ancient Pagan cultures, Christmas itself is actually a religious holiday celebrating the birth of Christ the Lord.

search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu4pArzhJzCcAi0VXNyoA?p=usa+national+holidays&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501-s&ei=UTF-8

“Christmas is not only a religious holy day, but became one of the first federal holidays in 1870. On this day most businesses and offices remain closed and the greatest possible number of workers, including government employees, have the day off. Many places even close early on the day before.”

Just thought I would let you in on that little tid bit in case you would like to close the office.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Although there are Christians who believe in the theory of Evolution too (of course, all Christians believe in micro-evolution [variation within species]).

And… Kwanzaa was invented in the 60’s by a Marxist, and two of the Kwanzaa principles are celebrations of communism/Marxism. It’s sad that people are celebrating a holiday like that…

What can I tell you? It’s just culture.

 

[Matariel]

What can I tell you? It’s just culture.

Yep. I can’t stand it when people go along with something just 'cause it’s familial, cultural, etc.

Believe me, I was widely condemned when I abandoned splintering Protestantism for the ancient Faith of the Catholic Church, since my ancestry is inculturated as a stauch Protestant family…

 

[a_cermak]

Yep. I can’t stand it when people go along with something just 'cause it’s familial, cultural, etc.

But that’s why Christmas is so big in the USA. It’s a cultural thing far more than a religious thing. My family gathers at Christmas, we celebrate pretty much every creed under the sun, but we all get together, exchange gifts, have a big meal, take pictures, argue, and do all the other things at Christmas. My sis goes to midnight Mass (she’s a regular Church goer), but she’s the only one that does anything religious for the event.

The same is true in my partner’s family, the ones who are already religious go to Church but everyone else doesn’t. And that doesn’t keep that everyone else from being part of the festivities on Christmas day.

Besides as I look at lawn decorations, I see polar bears, trees, snoopy on a dog house, snow globes with critters in them, reindeers, sleighs, Santas, elves, and an occasional creche, but the creches seem to be heavily outnumbered by secular Christmas displays, now I know many Protestants won’t put up a creche (though the Episcopalians and Lutherans don’t seem to have any issues), but my neighborhood is overwhelmingly Catholic and Orthodox Christian (at least culturally, I’m not sure what the attendance rates are and how many are ex- of their family faith).

 

[Vanquisher]

http://theislampath.com/smf/Smileys/default/salam.gif

Salaam/peace

Is there any verse in Bible that says Christmas is the birthday of Jesus (p) ? Jesus (p) ever celebrated Christmas ?

No. Why does there have to be? Do you really think God is upset that we celebrate His incarnation and birth in Bethlehem for our salvation?

And December 25th has been observed as the birthday of Jesus from the earliest centuries of Christianity. Whether or not Jesus was actually born on that particular date is not the point. However, I am one of those Catholics who does believe that December 25th is the actual birthday of Jesus, or at least close to it.

 

[Vanquisher]

That’s true except one Christian church- United Church of Christ and its affiliate Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.

Mugen, did you know that that organization was originally called “Protestants and other Americans United for the Separation of Church and State”? It began as an anti-Catholic organization.