Intelligent Design, Edward Feser's views

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Correct. I just changed the color because I used a green horizontal line and a green vertical one.
 
If a mini-ice age broke out, the short-hairs would all die because Kentucky winters already take them to their survival limits.
When did this huge amount of Ice Age surviving fur started growing on Matt?
 
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If a mini-ice age broke out, the short-hairs would all die because Kentucky winters already take them to their survival limits.
When did this huge amount of Ice Age surviving fur started growing on Matt?
Never did. He’s just a super hairy man, making him more fit for the new environment than me.

At this point, I think it’s pretty clear that you don’t want to fairly consider the idea, techno.
 
At this point, I think it’s pretty clear that you don’t want to fairly consider the idea, techno.
Right, because God created every animal fit for its environment, simple as that. Nothing became fit, then unfit, then fit over and over again, for the 10 million different plant and animal species we have on this earth today .
 
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Never did. He’s just a super hairy man, making him more fit for the new environment than me.
Do you think a gorilla could survive the Ice Age ?
Dunno. Elephants survived in the evolved form of Wooly Mammoths. I’d presume that an ape could probably evolve to survive in the cold. Some would argue that they did in the form of homosapiens, neanderthals, cro-magnons and denisovians.
 
We agree. He’d have to be better prepared BEFORE the change.
How would random mutations know what kind of environmental changes would be coming down the road a million years into future ?
 
Why would they need to? I feel like you skipped my charts entirely, or are just trolling. Populations have variations within them. At any given time most of those variations may have no real impact on the current situation or they could be vital to survival. When environmental pressures change a different set of traits may be better suited to the new environment and others may be detrimental or deadly liabilities.

That’s why in my example above I showed IF there was a cold snap, creatures ALREADY capable of surviving those lower temperatures would fare better. IF there was a heat wave the opposite would occur. None of the population knew what would happen ahead of time. Several members survived BOTH scenarios.
 
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That’s why in my example above I showed IF there was a cold snap, creatures ALREADY capable of surviving those lower temperatures would fare better.
There is no animal today in a real world that is not capable of surviving its environment, if some environmental anomaly comes along they won’t survive simple as that. There is no special animal that has a special mutation that allows just it to survive.
 
There is no animal today in a real world that is not capable of surviving its environment, if some environmental anomaly comes along they won’t survive simple as that.
You’re down to contradicting yourself within single sentences.
 
Diseases are another environmental factor. Some people already, by chance, had mutations that allowed them to survive the Black Death. And by chance, some of those mutations have proved to causes resistance to HIV. None of those people said, “I need to prepare my descendants for HIV.” It just happened.
 
You haven’t explained how the animal with the deadly cold protecting fur is surviving before it gets cold.
Ever been skiing?

When you stop off for a few brews half way through the day you don’t take all your ski gear off when you go in the bar. You’ll be a bit warmer than the guy behind the bar who just has jeans and a t-shirt but it’s no big deal. You’ll both survive without any problem. If there’s a good looking girl at the bar you’ll both be in with the same chance of talking her into increasing the population.

However, if you and the barman meet the girl on the slopes, you’ll be the only one likely to get up close and personal. Because after a while the barman will be seriously hypothermic and will be dead soon after.

If you can get yourself up to Denver from NOL, then we can put this test. I’ll rug up and we’ll have a couple of beers in this bar I know in Manitou Springs then we’ll drive up Pikes Peak and we’ll see how long you can last.
 
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There is no animal today in a real world that is not capable of surviving its environment, if some environmental anomaly comes along they won’t survive simple as that.
You’re down to contradicting yourself within single sentences.
No I didn’t, the heat was an environmental anomaly, the ones that didn’t get too over heated will lived to produce more of it’s kind.
 
And therefore future generations of that animal will have more or less tolerance for higher heats? If the average heat tolerance for the creature goes up, might that allow it to migrate to areas it previously couldn’t?
 
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