Intelligent Design, Edward Feser's views

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Fortunately, some drivers have already evolved survival gear in their car trunks. They might not have recognized what it’s useful for before now, but when it gets cold they are at an advantage,

That’s what we’ve been saying — it’s not that the cold causes the variation in hairiness or whatever, but that the cold makes some pre-existing variations suddenly more useful, and encourages their preferential passage on to future generations.
 
Some humor for the thread. Apologies in advance if Techno misunderstands this and we have to spend five more pages explaining it:

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Dude, humans survived the last Ice Age. If we can do it by wearing animal furs, then the animals that already have the fur could probably pull it off.

It looks like gorillas specifically survived because they live exclusively in parts of Africa that were still tropical in climate even during the Last Glacial Maximum.
 
Techno has difficulty with scientific concepts. He thinks that wind is caused by trees waving their branches around.
 
Bradskii said:
Techno has difficulty with scientific concepts. He thinks that wind is caused by trees waving their branches around.
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I utterly delight in telling my younger (like 4 to 7 or 8) extended family members that those wind-powered turbines are actually propellers that push the earth into rotating toward day and night and the cloud movement is proof of it. Their eyes go wide and my siblings will advise them that uncle Vonsalza is full of… you know.
 
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so back in the day it was assumed just a few things were needed were needed for life to evolve on a planet. Now that number has risen to 250+. Every time an item is added it adds complexity to life forming. Even the Drake equation is nothing but assumptions. Once the number become so high that it starts to rule out life at all, then youre left with thinking just maybe there is a god
 
??? Of course, they would be biased. Evolution sites are biased too. So are news organizations. A site that promotes something is biased.
 
Not really.

From Oxford;
Bias - Inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.
 
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What observations are you basing the evolution is the answer on?
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I wasn’t referring to any specific article, myself; only showing how to find some useful information even from an article written by someone already previously supportive of the conclusion.
 
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? Of course, they would be biased. Evolution sites are biased too. So are news organizations. A site that promotes something is biased.
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I was making a point to Techno. I believe he understands the point I made.
 
Ah, YouTube, thanks for the reference. I’ll just skim through the 7 billion videos to see if I can find it…
 
Usagi said:
They might not have recognized what it’s useful for before now, but when it gets cold they are at an advantage,
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So this is where evolution jumps into action and automatically started sprouting life-saving cold protecting fur out of the flesh of the animal, just in time for the killer cold weather.Or did it conveniently get slowly cold so that random mutations could keep up ?

What was some of the other environmental change scenario that produced the 10 million different plant and animal species we have today ?
 
I am trying to dialogue with you here (and I honestly apologize for my earlier snark), but it really seems like you do not retain what has already been explained to you. I don’t even care if you believe it; just try to remember the actual claims of evolution proponents.

The fur doesn’t start sprouting when the cold weather comes. The fur was already there, more of it in some individuals than others. If, because of the shift to colder temperatures, having more/thicker fur aids survival, then that trait will be preferentially passed on, and if the colder climate persists, future generations will have thicker fur on average than their ancestors from
the warmer times.

Come on. This isn’t even speciation we’re talking about here. This is the “micro-evolution” that everyone supposedly agrees with. Based on the age that comes up when I get a notification of one of your replies, you’re not a kid; you’re (a little) older than I am! I don’t care, at this point, that you don’t agree with us, but that you keep asking the same questions that depend on misunderstanding what evolution even is, no matter how many times someone tries to fill you in. Vonsalza and Dan made graphs about the fur thing, and you are still asking when the fur appears.
 
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The fur doesn’t start sprouting when the cold weather comes. The fur was already there, more of it in some individuals than others. If, because of the shift to colder temperatures, having more/thicker fur aids survival, then that trait will be preferentially passed on, and if the colder climate persists, future generations will have thicker fur on average than their ancestors from
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I just don’t get the mechanics of how all this would work. There is a animal that just happens to have a cold protecting fur mutation living among other animals that don’t, how is it surviving with all this cold protecting fur in the hot summer time ?
 
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As illustrated by the example of more and less hairy humans in Kentucky, the population of animals has a range of hair (or fur) thickness. We’re probably not talking full-up polar bear fur here, considering the previous environment. (A mutant with that much extra fur would indeed have to get very lucky on the timing of that ice age to come out ahead.) There just need to be some animals with enough extra protection (and the genes for same) that they are more reproductively successful than their less furry brethren.
 
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