Intelligent Design, Edward Feser's views

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Dan123 said:
Ever single creature that has ever existed is a transitional stage.
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I started as a human and I will most likely die as a human. What transition (to me as a member of the human race) will occur?
 
Are you identical to your parents? Are/will your children be identical to you?
 
Evolution =/= individuals change
Evolution = populations change

Bradskii’s analogy of you being a transitional stage between your parents and your children is rather apt.
 
mVitus said:
Bradskii’s analogy of you being a transitional stage between your parents and your children is rather apt.
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Different individual characteristics do not mean transition. Other than individual characteristics, I doubt that I am essentially different than my father or my ancestor 2000 years ago.
 
Overall, it’s a matter of time. When wolves were selectively bred until the breeds of dogs came out, a person might look at the child compared to the parent, the grandparent, or maybe even a great grandparent and say there was little difference. But by now there have been significant differences. It’s like that with evolution in that the one generational to another is very similar, but you see the differences over time.
 
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When wolves were selectively bred until the breeds of dogs came out,
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When did this happen? Who did it (if it was selective then someone had to do the selecting)? Are chihuahuas really descendants of wolves or could dogs perhaps be their own species?

For the record, I believe that dogs and wolves are related but separate species.
 
Wesrock said:
I don’t see what’s hard to believe about a hip or a jaw or a knee. I don’t feel “gotcha’d” or stuck between a rock and a hard place. I just feel like I’m talking to someone who doesn’t know the subject matter.

It’s like discussing Aristotle or Aquinas and people not following or accusing it of being gobbledygook. It’s not. They just don’t have a foundational understanding of the material and terms for them to process the discussion. Not because they’re unintelligent, just because it’s unfamiliar.
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Having no idea how your reply has anything to do with what I wrote, it appears that I know exactly how you feel.
 
MikeInVA said:
When did this happen? Who did it (if it was selective then someone had to do the selecting)? Are chihuahuas really descendants of wolves or could dogs perhaps be their own species?

For the record, I believe that dogs and wolves are related but separate species.
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Smithsonian Magazine has an interesting article that goes through a couple theories.


As for the who, humans in the case of dogs. The reason I bring up dogs is that we know that dogs have changed over time with decent differences. (Very few people doubt that.) So by bringing up dogs, the very basic premise of change over time leads to differences can be shown. Now I’ll grant humans doing selection sped up the process versus nature. But it’s still the same process. The “I survive. I breed.” principle goes on. In nature, due to getting food and surviving climate. (I simplify of course.) In dogs,having the traits desired.
 
You are not much different at all, except you have picked up more deleterious mutations.
 
Interesting dogs are returning to their wolf ways by eating children in India.
 
It’s kind if like I said 2×2=4 and you responded that a 4×4 ran off the road into a ditch. In other words, it sounds related but is non-sequitur.
 
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From the article, “Though researchers agree dogs are descended from wild wolves, they aren’t sure when and where domestication occurred.”

So scientists don’t have any supporting evidence, but they’re sure of their conclusions?

Wolves and dogs are separate species. I think dogs were domesticated by the behavioral adaptation of their species, not evolution (and were created for this purpose).
 
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Wesrock:
I don’t see what’s hard to believe about a hip or a jaw or a knee. I don’t feel “gotcha’d” or stuck between a rock and a hard place. I just feel like I’m talking to someone who doesn’t know the subject matter.

It’s like discussing Aristotle or Aquinas and people not following or accusing it of being gobbledygook. It’s not. They just don’t have a foundational understanding of the material and terms for them to process the discussion. Not because they’re unintelligent, just because it’s unfamiliar.
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Having no idea how your reply has anything to do with what I wrote, it appears that I know exactly how you feel.
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My reply was targeted at Techno. He had quoted you, and I quoted his post which included your quote, and you got a notification because your comment was buried in there.
 
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It’s not like one species pops out another species in its children. That’s not how speciation works.
 
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