Intersex Surgeries

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“Y is the sex-determining chromosome in many species, since it is the presence or absence of Y that determines the male or female sex of offspring produced in sexual reproduction. In mammals, the Y chromosome contains the gene SRY, which triggers testis development.”

It starts with Y and proceeds from there.
 
Here are some quotes from the National Catholic Bioethics Center:
Properly understood, a person cannot change his or her sexual identity. For persons not suffering the disorders mentioned above (e.g., hermaphroditism [congenital adrenal hyperplasia (a species of which is anrdogen insensitivity syndrome), mosaicism, chimerism, or some other congenital cause of mixed sexual identity[) a person is either male or female. A person is the unity of soul and body, and ‘soul’ should be understood not as an immaterial self, but as that which makes the body be what it is, namely, a human person. We are either male or female persons, and nothing can change that. A person can mutilate his or her genitals, but cannot change his or her sex. Changing one’s sex is fundamentally impossible; these procedures are fundamentally acts of mutilation…Such operations should not be thought of as changing a person’s sex, but rather confirming what is originally ambiguous.
May not someone think that he (or she) really believes that he (or she) is a woman (or man)?

The moral judgment that genital-changing operations are immoral does not entail that people cannot have false beliefs, or that their feelings and attitudes cannot be irrational or not in conformity with reality. A person’s sex identity is not determined by one’s subjective beliefs, desires or feelings. It is a function of his or her nature.
What is the Difference between Sex and Gender?

Sexual identity is not a social construction but is an objective fact rooted in our nature as either female or male persons. The most obvious fact about us is that we are either male or female.

Of course there is an important distinction to make in this regard between sexual identity and gender. Sexual identity refers to the property of being male or female. It refers to the specific sex of the human person. Being male (or female) is an essential property of who we are as persons. For example, a man simply cannot as a male, bear or gestate children. Men do not have such a potency, but women do. Thus, being male (or female) is essential to what we are. Gender, on the other hand, refers to certain emotional dispositions or traits characteristic of femininity or masculinity. ‘Femininity’ and ‘masculinity’ are gender terms and refer to specific traits or dispositions.
 
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For persons not suffering the disorders mentioned above (e.g., hermaphroditism [congenital adrenal hyperplasia (a species of which is anrdogen insensitivity syndrome), mosaicism, chimerism, or some other congenital cause of mixed sexual identity[) a person is either male or female.
So, this does admit that some people have a “mixed sexual identity” and are not either male or female.
 
Ah, only you get to decide that is relevant.
You mentioned transgenderism, which had nothing to do with the statement of mine you quoted. I’m only concerned with intersex here.
Got it! I did not advocate any surgery. I talked about “if” surgery was needed or the surgery "can be done… Regardless of surgery or no surgery, a person is either make or female. If a person has both a vagina and a penis, surgery may be needed. That is up to the doctors/parents/person
That’s the point though. How do YOU decide what sex a baby is who is born with male and female sex organs?
 
That’s the point though. How do YOU decide what sex a baby is who is born with male and female sex organs?
I’d wait as long as possible and conduct as much testing as possible. There’s no reason to rush.
 
Actually I am familiar
Then it is odd that you would make such an uniformed comment.
but thanks for the sin of rash judgment.
It is also odd that you would “thank” anyone for sinning.

The sin of rash judgment pertains to the soul of the person, not to a comment one might make that reflects a lack of knowledge.

Perhaps you are here masquerading as a person who should know something, but does not. No one can make a rash judgment about a person who is role playing.
 
“Y is the sex-determining chromosome in many species, since it is the presence or absence of Y that determines the male or female sex of offspring produced in sexual reproduction. In mammals, the Y chromosome contains the gene SRY, which triggers testis development.”

It starts with Y and proceeds from there.
Except when it doesn’t, as the very case of AIS demonstrates. Simply having a Y chromosome doesn’t make you male anymore than producing testosterone does, or having a functional SRY gene does or having functional androgen receptors does. Phenotypic sex arises from very complex and concerted actions of all these players among many others.

You can keep claiming that this is “truth” by begging the question over and over again but that doesn’t change reality. There are women with Y chromosomes, there are men with no Y chromosome. Such individuals certainly aren’t normative, but that doesn’t mean you get to arbitrarily refer to women (many of whom are significantly more feminine in secondary sex characteristics than so-called “normal women”) as “technical men”. At least, you don’t get to do this until you demonstrate that biological sex is actually reducible to the mere presence or absence of a particular chromosome.
 
Your definition if rash judgement is not the Church’s definition. But, thanks for your continued rash judgment. It is appreciated. As St. Francis de Sales says, it is a moment of humility.,
 
You mentioned transgenderism, which had nothing to do with the statement of mine you quoted. I’m only concerned with intersex here.
You don’t seem to understand the point. Some people have a hard time with fundamental connections and can only deal with the more obvious ones. Ah well.
 
For persons not suffering the disorders mentioned above (e.g., hermaphroditism [congenital adrenal hyperplasia (a species of which is anrdogen insensitivity syndrome), mosaicism, chimerism, or some other congenital cause of mixed sexual identity[) a person is either male or female.
You are misreading the quotations in their full context (rather conveniently it would seem). Just two sentences down the writer says, “We are either male or female persons, and nothing can change that.” Everyone is either male or female, but a rare few are sexually ambivalent. That does not mean they have no sex. Only two sexes exist – male and female.
 
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Sexually ambivalent doesn’t seem to be one of the supposed two options?
 
Everyone is either male or female, but a rare few are sexually ambivalent. That does not mean they have no sex.
LOL. No, “ambivalent” does not mean they have not sex, it just means that they don’t fit conveniently into either of the categories.

A rare few are sexually ambivalent. That means they cannot be categorized neatly.

It also usually means the situation cannot be "fixed’ with surgery. Surgery may make their function and appearance better/different, but it can’t “fix” their ambivalent situation.
 
Your definition if rash judgement is not the Church’s definition.
“Unquestioning conviction about another person’s bad conduct”

It seems you are right. I have not been able to assess any of your “conduct”, only the content of your posts. I also have no unquestioning convictions about you, since I don’t know you. So it seems that the dictionary definition does not fit any more than yours!

I still think your assertion that surgery can “fix” sexual ambivalence is erroneous
 
About 1 in 2000 or so in the US.

Down Syndrome is 1 in 700, just as a comparison.
 
there are men with no Y chromosome.
Honest question - as all I’ve ever heard is if you’re XO, you’re phenotypically female (Turner’s). I know you are assuredly the expert in all this, so can you explain how that happens?

Not smart. Serious question. Yeah, I could look it up but I’m being uncharacteristically lazy at the moment.
 
You actually mentioned part of it earlier! Translocation of SRY onto the X chromosome during spermatogenesis. Now it’s true that usually results in ambiguous genitalia and is what some would call “true intersex”, but there’ve been cases of 46-XX individuals having both a translocation of SRY coupled with hyper-expression of NR3C genes found on the X chromosome which code for regulatory proteins in the transcription of the androgen receptor. This uptick in transcription (coupled with some other X-linked genes that I’m having trouble remembering at the moment) leads to a positive feedback resulting in an increase in androgen production which can bind to the already overabundant androgen receptors.

It’s admittedly quite a rare phenomenon and I’ll have to search my Evernote at home since I only remember reading about it in the literature (or try to do a PubMed search on my phone).
 
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