Intersex Surgeries

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Holy smokes.

How is anyone born anything resembling normal? A rhetorical question but yes, I’m serious. How lucky are most of us on this board? It’s only Tuesday and I’ve had a hellacious week, but man, I have no right to complain. And I know this daily - but every once in a while you hear something like this that just makes you stop and go, dang - I am more blessed than I even thought.
 
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Crazy ain’t it? At to think most of the genes responsible for coordinating and mitigating the effect of SRY on the Y-chromosome aren’t even on the so-called “male chromosome”. They’re on the X-chromosome! Then you have genes on somatic chromosomes that code for transcription factors necessary for the proper transcription of those aforementioned genes on the sex chromosomes! I have no idea why God allowed it to be this complex, but he did, and there’s likely some kind of overarching benefit to it that we just don’t yet understand.

Needless to say, the phenotypic expression of sex, just like pretty much every other function of our bodies involve an incredibly complex, howbeit elegant (once you figure out how it works) coordination of so many dynamic parts that you just can’t reduce it to a single component. It would be like reducing a composer’s symphony to the key it’s written in, or it’s time signature. Neither one does justice to the complexity.
 
That definition is not accurate. “My” definition is the official definition of the Church.
2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury. 278 He becomes guilty:
  • of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;
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The comment about surgery is not erroneous. Whether one approves of such surgery, there are surgeries to deal with that sort of thing., The Catholic Bioethics group mentions that.
 
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LOL. No, “ambivalent” does not mean they have not sex, it just means that they don’t fit conveniently into either of the categories.
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I did not say that such people have no sex. I was commenting on what someone else said that appeared THEY were saying that. Sheesh
 
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The comment about surgery is not erroneous. Whether one approves of such surgery, there are surgeries to deal with that sort of thing.
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As I said, it has nothing to do with “moral fault”. You are asserting an opinion about intersex surgery. I don’t believe it is true. My lack of agreement with you is not a moral failing either.

Yes, surgery is done, but it does not “fix” the constitutional problems of chromosomes and hormones that contribute to the condition.
 
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Everyone is either male or female, but a rare few are sexually ambivalent. That does not mean they have no sex. Only two sexes exist – male and female.
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Well, if a person does not fit neatly into either category, and there is no category for them, because both of the binary options fail, where does that leave us?
 
There are no other legitimate categories other than male or female.
 
Correct, God made humans male or female. The problem is that we’re not always able to agree on which one people are. On the Last Day we will all be brought back as we were meant to be.
 
You have a good point. For my family members that would work. The way I interpret it, based on some Vatican docs in, I believe, 1992, the Church doesn’t know which they are. It’s binary, yet, we as humans do not (yet) have the skill set to unambiguously determine which of the two any given individual is.

I will point out that an intersex person with a well formed conscience does know, though.
 
In Australia you can be marked as X on birth certificates and passports. This helps on intersex conditions. It seems a perfectly viable third option.
 
Birth certificates are not the issue. Baptismal etc certificates are, though.
 
BroIgnatius said:
There are no other legitimate categories other than male or female.
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Legitimate to whom? So you are saying that persons who have half the characteristics of one and half of the other are “illegitimate”? What does that even mean?
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The problem is that we’re not always able to agree on which one people are.
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I am not sure it is even a matter of agreement. There are so many scientifically validated factors in these matters, and clearly, as very small percentage of persons are born in such a condition that they do not fit into either category.
 
Because people are judgemental in the body of christ of the people who have such a condition. Its called spreading awareness.
 
guanophore said:
There are so many scientifically validated factors in these matters, and clearly, as very small percentage of persons are born in such a condition that they do not fit into either category.
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So are you saying we’re not only male or female? If so, what will these people be on the Last Day?
 
Its between God and them, souls don’t have gender, gender is for mortals, when youre immortal it doesn’t matter.

So your asking a deeply personal question to something that’s not your problem. His or her gender doesnt and shouldnt impact your faith.
 
  • Firstly, you’re not the arbiter of what’s discussed on this Thread.
  • Secondly, the question wasn’t addressed to you and it fits within the scope of this Thread.
Genesis 1:27

“So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.”

There are two sexes and you’ll return as the sex God intended.
 
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My only point is that God makes you one or the other. From the beginning you’re one or the other.
 
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