Intersexed Catholic

[Traditional_Ang]

pathia:

After reflection and digging through websites this is why, I think. If the Church were to say ‘intersexuals can marry after surgery’ then a transgender could abuse it and marry in a Catholic setting.

Rachel

Rachel:

The Church and those who creaet moral and ethical Standards will probably have to cobble together a set of “OBJECTIVE” standards that allow decisions to be made in adulthood as they would have been made in childhood if the surgeons would have had access to Genetic Information, and the people involved could be shown to be clinicly depressed because of that.

I think that’s what the Jimmy Akin Website was getting at. This type of standard would not be usable by a Transgender or other “Gender Bender”, because it would require a contradiction between a person’s Genetics and his or her Primary Sex Characteristics.

I believe this would enable the church to treat you, and those like you, one way, while treating Transgenders in another way.

In Christ, Michael

 

[LittleDeb]

Lynn-D:

Also what and how would all of the research now ongoing be accepted that seems to lean strongly that even transsexuals who have no apparent chromasome or genetic markers opposite to their birth sex are found through positive research results that the brain is one sex and opposite the physical sex? That indication has already been determined and almost all the researchers that have followed it concur that it is not flawed but needs more than examination of the BSTe on the hypothalamus done on cadavers. Problem so far is that to do that same test on a live person would kill them. Don’t want that do we?
In time the researchers promise that new testing methods are found every day and someday, and not far off, even an infant will be able to be tested to determine brain sex. That will be the day I await with glee. Transgenders do not hope for that because it would eliminate choice of sex and provide proof of inherant sex. Gender benders beware!
Lynn-D

I too would look happily toward research on the brain to show gender. I have long held that the brain is different in males and females. So many things are held up as being “conditioned” when they might not be and others are said to be “born with” when they might in fact be conditioned. I am a great fan of all research of nature vs. nurture. Sadly it still seems that mostly we know diddley squat positively.

I would agree with others who state that single, celibate, chastity is the answer for now for Rachel. I also agree that she should be taking this to the highest levels possible in the Church. Since we are all perfect creations of God, none of us are mistakes. God allows all things in life for His greater glory. He allowed the creation in all of us of our less than perfect bodies, while at the same time making us perfect creations. When I struggle with my health every day, that thought keeps me going. I will offer up my body aches tonight for all of those struggling to live according to God’s will for their own bodies.

 

[pathia]

LittleDeb:

I would agree with others who state that single, celibate, chastity is the answer for now for Rachel. I also agree that she should be taking this to the highest levels possible in the Church. Since we are all perfect creations of God, none of us are mistakes. God allows all things in life for His greater glory. He allowed the creation in all of us of our less than perfect bodies, while at the same time making us perfect creations. When I struggle with my health every day, that thought keeps me going. I will offer up my body aches tonight for all of those struggling to live according to God’s will for their own bodies.

So I should break up with my fiance? That’s hardly an option for me, I love him with all my heart. Without him I’d probably have commited a worse sin, suicide, over my trials and tribulations. My heart would die if the church told me I have to be single. I’m willing to be celibate, but I will not leave him and he will not leave me. If that’s a sin, then so be it. I love him and he loves me.

Rachel

 

[Traditional_Ang]

pathia:

So I should break up with my fiance? That’s hardly an option for me, I love him with all my heart. Without him I’d probably have commited a worse sin, suicide, over my trials and tribulations. My heart would die if the church told me I have to be single. I’m willing to be celibate, but I will not leave him and he will not leave me. If that’s a sin, then so be it. I love him and he loves me.

Rachel

Rachel:

This is going to be very, very tough for you, and that’s one reason several of us have suggested that you contact Courage Apostolate. But, I’ll let the Lord speak for HIMSELF:

*Matt. 8:21-22: Another of (his) disciples said to him, “Lord, let me go first and bury my father.”

But Jesus answered him, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.”*

Matt. 16:24-26: Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life?”

*Matt. 19:20-24: …The young man said to him, “All of these I have observed. What do I still lack?”

Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to (the) poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

When the young man heard this statement, he went away sad, for he had many possessions. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Amen, I say to you, it will be hard for one who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for one who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”*

Mark 8:34-37: He summoned the crowd with his disciples and said 8 to them, “Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and that of the gospel will save it. What profit is there for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? What could one give in exchange for his life?”

Mark 10:29-30: Jesus said, “Amen, I say to you, there is no one who has given up house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands for my sake and for the sake of the gospel who will not receive a hundred times more now in this present age: houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and eternal life in the age to come.”

*Mark 10:34-39: "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.’

“Whoever loves father or mother (or boyfriend) more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.”*

• Luke 9:23-25: Then he said to all, “If anyone wishes to come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. What profit is there for one to gain the whole world yet lose or forfeit himself?”*

*Luke 9:59-62: And to another he said, “Follow me.” But he replied, “(Lord,) let me go first and bury my father.”

But he answered him, “Let the dead bury their dead. But you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

And another said, “I will follow you, Lord, but first let me say farewell to my family at home.”

(To him) Jesus said, “No one who sets a hand to the plow and looks to what was left behind is fit for the kingdom of God.”*

The choice may not be between your boyfriend and the demands of the Church. It may very well between your boyfriend and our Lord who says, “Come, Follow me!”

I think I know how much you love your boyfriend, and how much he means to you. The question is, does he mean more to you than our Lord Jesus or your eternal soul?

No one here said this was going to be easy, but I beg you to think of the sacrifice our Lord made for you before you throw it away.

*Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Therefore, you shall love the LORD, your God, with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength.
Deuteronomy 6:4-5 *

In Christ, Michael

 

[pathia]

Traditional Ang:

Rachel:

This is going to be very, very tough for you, and that’s one reason several of us have suggested that you contact Courage Apostolate. But, I’ll let the Lord speak for HIMSELF:

The choice may not be between your boyfriend and the demands of the Church. It may very well between your boyfriend and our Lord who says, “Come, Follow me!”

I think I know how much you love your boyfriend, and how much he means to you. The question is, does he mean more to you than our Lord Jesus or your eternal soul?

No one here said this was going to be easy, but I beg you to think of the sacrifice our Lord made for you before you throw it away.

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Therefore, you shall love the LORD, your God, with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength.
Deuteronomy 6:4-5

In Christ, Michael

I don’t know what else I can give up, except my love for my fiance and that seems a cruel, cruel sacrifice. I don’t recall Jesus ever telling anyone to give up love. Through loving others, you love Jesus.

I have no finances, in fact I have bill collecters calling me every day, I on the verge of becoming homeless and likely will be within a few weeks. So, I don’t know how much longer I’ll be on this forum. No one will hire me, so I may have to live in my car over the summer until school starts again, I can’t live with my fiance because that might tempt us to sin.

“And Jesus answered him, THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt LOVE THE
LORD THY GOD with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind,
and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And THE SECOND
is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none
other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:29- 31

I don’t see how loving my fiance violates either of the greatest commandments our lord gave us.

According to the church I cannot be called to serve our lord. Intersexed individuals are specifically not allowed to take up holy orders or become monks/nuns. In fact, I have heard of cases of intersexed nuns being forced to ‘retire’ when their medical issues came to light.

As for going to the lord. Likely that will not be as long as most other people here. My body is likely to break down earlier than most. My life expectancy due to my inherent hormonal disorders give me at most 50years on this earth according to most doctors. I already have osteoporosis and I’m only 26.

Rachel

 

[Traditional_Ang]

Rachel:

God wouldn’t make you choose between your boyfriend and him unless HE saw that you had set up your boyfriend in HIS place.

I know that a lot of us have been allowed to do just that, but it seems that God has plans to make you into the something the devil really dreads, a Great Saint. Most of us will never see the word “Saint” next to our names.

I’m sorry that someone said you couldn’t join a religious order, because I believe that you are someone who really needs the support of a Spiritual Director, a Confessor and a loving community that knows your difficulties and can help you through them.

Jesus is the one who’s calling you, and he’s calling you to something more than just some dreary existence, but you have to submit and persevere and pick up that cross.

Please think again before you decide that your can’t give up your relationship to your boyfriend even if there is a call from God.

And, Please call some people like the ones at Courage Apostolate so you can work these issues out and see that the Church is how Christ helps HIS Saints realize their potential.

May God give you the Grace to stay close to HIM.

In Christ, Michael

PS: I did the “Leaving the Church” bit, and was gone for nearly 25 years. You don’t want to do that.

 

[pathia]

Traditional Ang:

Rachel:

God wouldn’t make you choose between your boyfriend and him unless HE saw that you had set up your boyfriend in HIS place.

I know that a lot of us have been allowed to do just that, but it seems that God has plans to make you into the something the devil really dreads, a Great Saint. Most of us will never see the word “Saint” next to our names.

I’m sorry that someone said you couldn’t join a religious order, because I believe that you are someone who really needs the support of a Spiritual Director, a Confessor and a loving community that knows your difficulties and can help you through them.

Jesus is the one who’s calling you, and he’s calling you to something more than just some dreary existence, but you have to submit and persevere and pick up that cross.

Please think again before you decide that your can’t give up your relationship to your boyfriend even if there is a call from God.

And, Please call some people like the ones at Courage Apostolate so you can work these issues out and see that the Church is how Christ helps HIS Saints realize their potential.

May God give you the Grace to stay close to HIM.

In Christ, Michael

PS: I did the “Leaving the Church” bit, and was gone for nearly 25 years. You don’t want to do that.

I don’t know anything about being a Saint, but I am adamant about being a teacher. Society is telling me no, but I have an appointment with the secondary education department of my school thursday.

I want to teach, when I pray and ask about it I feel uplifted. I won’t claim God speaks to me directly, or affirms this idea, but it feels right ‘on my insides’ so to speak. It’ll be a hard journey, but I’m willing to try.

Rachel

 

[cynic]

Traditional Ang:

I think I know how much you love your boyfriend, and how much he means to you. The question is, does he mean more to you than our Lord Jesus or your eternal soul?

why should that be the choice?

 

[Traditional_Ang]

Rachel:

Please read the Scriptures I quoted - Jesus told several people to leave their families behind. HE could be extremely demanding.

Do the people in you parish know about your financial condition? How many members of the Congregation know that you are on the verge of homelessness? Do they have any idea of what you can do as far as skills? And, What kind of employment experience you have? Have you asked them for help saying this is a matter of grave concern?

I know that can be humiliating, but I think giving your parish the opportunity to help one of their own would do them some spiritual good. And, Since I was once on welfare, it would be less humiliating for you than going on welfare…

pathia:

I don’t know what else I can give up, except my love for my fiance and that seems a cruel, cruel sacrifice. I don’t recall Jesus ever telling anyone to give up love. Through loving others, you love Jesus.

I have no finances, in fact I have bill collecters calling me every day, I on the verge of becoming homeless and likely will be within a few weeks. So, I don’t know how much longer I’ll be on this forum. No one will hire me, so I may have to live in my car over the summer until school starts again, I can’t live with my fiance because that might tempt us to sin.

“And Jesus answered him, THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt LOVE THE
LORD THY GOD with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind,
and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And THE SECOND
is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none
other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:29- 31

I don’t see how loving my fiance violates either of the greatest commandments our lord gave us.

According to the church I cannot be called to serve our lord. Intersexed individuals are specifically not allowed to take up holy orders or become monks/nuns. In fact, I have heard of cases of intersexed nuns being forced to ‘retire’ when their medical issues came to light.

As for going to the lord. Likely that will not be as long as most other people here. My body is likely to break down earlier than most. My life expectancy due to my inherent hormonal disorders give me at most 50 years on this earth according to most doctors. I already have osteoporosis and I’m only 26.

Rachel

Rachel, I must admit ignorance when it comes to Church Law and people with Mosaisism, but I have a hard time seeing orders tossing out faithful people because they have genetic disorders or physical abnormalities.

Not ordaining you a priest makes sense, because you identify as female, and the priesthood is for men who must stand in the place of Christ, but I can’t see why, if you could decide to live with whatever sexual identity most agreed with your primary characteristics, some order some where wouldn’t at least accept you as a lay postulant and allow you to live in the community.

If that’s something you could live with, I would say to knock on doors and to keep asking until someone lets you in. Fr. Benedict Groeschel is named after just such a person who was later canonized. Here are two doors to check out:

Fr. Pavone’s Priests for Life have whole new Lay and Clergy Apostolates. Have you contacted them? Have you cantacted Courage Apostolate to see if what help they can offer? or, what you could do for them?

to be con., Michael

 

[Traditional_Ang]

Continued from previous…

Rachel:

Regarding your Osteoporesis and your shortened life span - I’m well familiar with pain. I know that one can scream while being passed out, because I did it after I had an acustic tumor removed in 1994 when I had a series of spinal headaches. I wasn’t in the Church then, so all I could think of was how hopeless my situation was. I heard FDR’s first Innaugural while I was laying in the hospital wondering if I would ever be able to sit upright or be able to wipe my own rear. I bawled my eyes out. It was as if he knew what I was going through, and he had died 24 years before I was born.

When the Acustic Tumor was removed, they completely severed the Acustic Nerve and took out the organs of hearing and balance in my left ear. That means, not only am I profoundly deaf on the left side, I get vertigo way too easily. I pray that I’m not in a “High Rise” when it catches fire. not too long ago, we had a small fire at the training center I go to. I had to be surounded by 4 people in order to be able to crawl down 9 flighs of fire stairs. It took us something like 15 minutes, If the building would have been on fire, I would have had to release them and then prayed that I died from asphyxiation.

I go to a Pain Clinic, where I get 2 Schedule 2 drugs and 2 others that aren’t on my Insurance Company’s Formulary. That’s what it takes to manage the pain from a 2nd Stage spondy with nerve root impingement (c4-c5 & c5-s1) & 2 herniated discs (one ulcerated - c5-s1) and bilateral degenerative arthritis of the hips.

I’ve recently applied for Social Security Disability because of these disabilities. I was just appalled when the office sent back a Refusal Letter saying that I could do things I haven’t been able to do for over 9 years.

I guess you can say that I understand what you’re going through with the osteoporesis.

Does the state you live in have either State Disability of Welfare Disability? Since you have a degenerative condition, have you thought about applying for SSD or SSI?

Is there a Social Worker at your parish who can help you with this? or, Have you thought about trying Catholic Social Services?

The love Jesus talks about is self-giving or self-sacrificing, given to another with no hope of return. Could you say that’s what’s happening with your boyfriend? Or, Could you and your borfriend be experiencing a different kind of love than what impelled Jesus to go to the cross for us?

Peace be with you, Michael

 

[Lynn-D]

pathia:

I don’t know what else I can give up, except my love for my fiance and that seems a cruel, cruel sacrifice. I don’t recall Jesus ever telling anyone to give up love. Through loving others, you love Jesus.

No Rachel, don’t ever give up love for it is a true reminder of that which was Christ.
My favorite is Mathew 5:10, 5:11 and it comforts me when others take up the mantel of judge as if speaking for God.

I have no finances, in fact I have bill collecters calling me every day, I on the verge of becoming homeless and likely will be within a few weeks. So, I don’t know how much longer I’ll be on this forum. No one will hire me, so I may have to live in my car over the summer until school starts again, I can’t live with my fiance because that might tempt us to sin.

"And Jesus answered him, THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt LOVE THE
LORD THY GOD with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind,
and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And THE SECOND
is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none
other commandment greater than these." Mark 12:29- 31

I don’t see how loving my fiance violates either of the greatest commandments our lord gave us.

I agree with you. Sometimes I wonder how others have their marriages annulled by the church after being married for many years and have grown children yet we are not even permitted to take the vows that they turned their backs upon when we were so eager to embrace them.

According to the church I cannot be called to serve our lord. Intersexed individuals are specifically not allowed to take up holy orders or become monks/nuns. In fact, I have heard of cases of intersexed nuns being forced to ‘retire’ when their medical issues came to light.

Rachel, intersexed can be called to serve as long as the genitals are not so affected that they present a visual problem at the physical. I know this for fact since I was accepted into Maryknoll. After a month there knew it was not my calling and even told my confessor of my problem thinking I had committed a sin. Next morning I was politely told to go back home and get help from doctors. But, we can be called but we obviously are not accepted is what I see.

As for going to the lord. Likely that will not be as long as most other people here. My body is likely to break down earlier than most. My life expectancy due to my inherent hormonal disorders give me at most 50years on this earth according to most doctors. I already have osteoporosis and I’m only 26.

I know where you are coming from girl. I have a scar on my lower scrotal area which the family refuses to talk about. At 17 another operation in the same general area to remove adhesions caused by whatever the first invasion was done for. I had osteomyelitis when a three year old which family seemed to not want to talk about until later when questioned by doctors about my childhood. My mother ran out of the doctors office never to go back and I can only wonder was she hiding something or afraid to face it. Later had a pelvic bone problem in addition to the lack of a prostate gland. Am a diabetic. Have severe blood circulation problems that keep me on blood thinners. Have three arterial stents. Last year they replaced my aortic heart valve which was defective since birth and did two heart by-passes. Six months ago was taken back to the hospital emergency because of arterial fibrillation, half my heart shut down. Yes it is tough but I am spunky and will never give up. Neither should you!
I do have my chuckles from time to time though at the expense of medical personnel. I have a third nipple which thankfully never developed. I tell all the nurses that I am 50% more woman than they are and can prove it. They shake their heads and laugh and I simply sit back and chuckle. They are sort of shocked when they first read my medical charts and I know they want to ask me questions but I am not open to that and I am sure they sense it.
Then I think selfishly about my attributes compared to theirs such as my auburn hair which is now softly graying, very soft skin and very faint hair on rest of my body. Find things like that to humor yourself, its helps cover the tough moments and it works!

I do wish to thank those in this forum that have tried to be understanding and were open to the information given. It is appreciated.
Lynn-D

Rachel

 

[Traditional_Ang]

cynic:

why should that be the choice?

Cynic:

Sometimes, our Lord requires people to make that choice - Usually when the person has begun to place someone or something in the place that should be occupied by God, or when God has decided to call that person to some some sort of extraordinary work, such as St. Theresa of Calcutta or St. Francis of Assissi.

Many of the early martyrs had to ignore the entreaties of their families and friends who begged and pleaded with them to reject Christ and to “Offer a few grains of incense to our beloved Emporer” to save their lives and spare their families and friends the heartache of watching them die horrible deaths.

Cynic, are you a faithful Catholic? If not, this really is a discussion between a faithful Catholic who is seeking counsel and others who are trying their best to give it. If you’re not a Faithful Catholic, you really won’t be able to understand the basis for the advice, or for why Rachel is actually struggling with this.

Thank you.

Michael

 

[Traditional_Ang]

Lynn-D:
Lynn-D and Rachel:

I read what’s happening to you healthwise, and it puts mine in perspective.

I think this at least some of this will need to be presented to the Vatican, because the Church needs to have an answer for people such as the two of you, and the answer has to include the option to serve, even if it’s as a Lay Postulant in a Catholic Community modeled after Taize.

I’m not saying that Rachel has to give up her relationship with her Fiancee, but I am saying that may be the ruling from the Vatican and that if it is, she has to be willing to submit to that as too few of us in the American Church are doing right now. And that her doing so would be an example to those Catholics who can’t seem to find the strength to submit to the Lord and HIS Church on far easier things.

I would also pray that it wouldn’t happen like that, because I do understand how heartbroken Rachel would be. and, I wouldn’t accept the verdicts of priests who’ve admitted they don’t really know what the Church says about this area while they’re saying “NO” to Rachel. That’s why I’ve said to kick this one upstairs.

In Christ, Michael

 

[Traditional_Ang]

Rachel:

Your title said “Intersexed Catholic”.

It should have read “Confused Catholic in a lot of pain”.

Please try to get the Sacrament of Unction as often as priests will give it to you, and get yourself a regular spiritual director and a confessor as well as someone who can help present your case to the hierarchy.

Shalom, Michael

 

[cynic]

Traditional Ang:

are you a faithful Catholic? If not, this really is a discussion between a faithful Catholic who is seeking counsel and others who are trying their best to give it. If you’re not a Faithful Catholic, you really won’t be able to understand the basis for the advice, or for why Rachel is actually struggling with this.

perhaps not, but it doesn’t seem like a choice required from others. (forced celibacy). Homosexuals can enter heterosexual marriage, normal people can marry of course, it’s not a choice between God and a spouse. Seems like the Catholic Church will probably require celibacy from this person in order to “play it safe”.

 

[Traditional_Ang]

cynic:

perhaps not, but it doesn’t seem like a choice required from others. (forced celibacy). Homosexuals can enter heterosexual marriage, normal people can marry of course, it’s not a choice between God and a spouse. Seems like the Catholic Church will probably require celibacy from this person in order to “play it safe”.

Cynic:

I don’t know what the decison of the Magisterium’s going to be on this one.

If they ask Rachel to stay celebate, it will be because they’ve either discerned that it’s best for the state of her soul or that of her fiancee, or that there’s something disordered in the relationship, or that the risk from the gay pressure groups is just too great. If they do, Christian Charity will require that they open a door somewhere else for Rachel to go.

I’ve tried to help as much as I can by giving Rachel something she can present which might be able to justify a decision in her favor. But, I can’t know if it’ll work until some Moral theologian has looked at it and given his verdict to his higher ups.

Either way, the decsion won’t be arbitrary, but it will have to take into account not only all those who have Rachel’s difficulties, but also those who will use a positive decision for her to pressure the Church in their cases. That’s why I suggested using the logic I did if they wanted to grant her the dispensation.

Thank you for your patience.

In Christ, Michael

 

[LittleDeb]

pathia:

So I should break up with my fiance? That’s hardly an option for me, I love him with all my heart. Without him I’d probably have commited a worse sin, suicide, over my trials and tribulations. My heart would die if the church told me I have to be single. I’m willing to be celibate, but I will not leave him and he will not leave me. If that’s a sin, then so be it. I love him and he loves me.

Rachel

I don’t know if you should break up. I didn’t mean to imply that as the only option. If you both are able to maintain a chaste relationship no matter how long it takes to resolve this, then you can probably stay together. Engagements can be full of temptation if there is a very long wait until marriage. I would say the same to any couple facing an unexpected long engagement. I know of many engagements longer than a year or two that have worked out great, so it is possible.

Please focus on getting your living and job situations resolved. Those are probably adding a lot of stress to this already very difficult situation. I know my struggle doesn’t compare to yours, but I do remember the stress and heartache of waiting for all of my situations to resolve so I could marry. It was a trying time, but I am a better person for it now. My marriage is stronger for it too.

Again, I am sorry you are having to go through this. I know I don’t have any definite answers to offer. All I can really offer is prayers for understanding and acceptance of God’s will.

 

[Cazz333]

Rachel, I would say your fiancé has the love and kindness and patience of Jesus Being a Christian, I doubt highly God wouldn’t let you keep him. A man who is willing to stand by you and love you for who you are that is a living example o god’s love.

 

[REDfan4Lyfe]

Are you able to have intercourse? Because infertility is NOT an impediment to marriage, only impotence.

 

[fastenatingguy]

Are you able to have intercourse? Because infertility is NOT an impediment to marriage, only impotence.

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