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iamrefreshed
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Actually, the issue was Ireland asking Israel to allow ships to Gaza. See OP #1
As usual, you attempted to steer the topic to your own agenda.
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As usual, you attempted to steer the topic to your own agenda.
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EmperorNapoleon
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So you think that Israel is right in forcing Palestinian children at gunpoint to serve as human shields?
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EmperorNapoleon
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Ireland asking Israel to allow ships to Gaza hasn’t been the topic of this thread for at least five pages.As usual, you attempted to steer the topic to your own agenda.
Are you dodging the question?
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Brooklyn
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You should have provided links for each specific quote, but you did not. The group accusing Israel of using human shields is Amnesty International, hardly a partial group.
From the NGO Monitor, May 2009:
"Throughout 2008, Amnesty International continued its highly disproportionate condemnations of Israel’s policies, and led the NGO campaign accusing Israel of “collective punishment” in defense against aggression from Gaza. At the same time, this NGO superpower, which claims to promote universal human rights, largely ignored the hundreds of Hamas’ rocket attacks on Israeli civilians. NGO Monitor’s systematic analysis shows how AI’s reports lacked credible evidence, erased the context of terrorism, distorted international legal terms, selectively used data, and myopically focused on Israel as part of the wider ideological campaign to demonize the Jewish state.
For instance, Amnesty’s August 27 statement headlined “Trapped – collective punishment in Gaza” grossly misrepresented international humanitarian law and immorally equated Palestinian terror attacks targeting Israeli civilians with justifiable Israeli responses aimed at ending these attacks. Israel’s legitimate security concerns were entirely dismissed, and the role of other players in the conflict (i.e. Egypt, Hamas) were also erased."
Unlike you, I will provide a specific link for this:
ngo-monitor.org/article/amnesty_in_anti_israel_obsession_continues_to_undermine_moral_principles
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Brooklyn
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Source, please.
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EmperorNapoleon
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I’ve provided you with a source already (the State Department) with 11 links; which you refuse to read.
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iamrefreshed
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Not dodging just ignoring a silly one.Ireland asking Israel to allow ships to Gaza hasn’t been the topic of this thread for at least five pages.
Do you support Palistinians forcing their children and women to act as human shields?
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Ridgerunner
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I think I can see why specific references to using children as human shields are not given here. In looking at 2009 and 2008, there are references to particular IDF people who were ACCUSED by Israeli authorities of using some Palestinian or other as a human shield in search operations, but I, at least, couldn’t find where anyone used children. Nor could I find anything that says it’s an Israeli policy. On the contrary, Israeli law, the references say, forbid it.
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scipio337
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Yet another strawman. You respond to any difficult question with a strawman argument. The issue was you cherry picking the information, and ignoring any supporting evidence of Hamas or others being guilty of the same.
Your response? “How long have you been beating your wife?”.
If you can find where I support such action, you can flame away.
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iamrefreshed
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It’s not like the Palistinians would lie!!
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EmperorNapoleon
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Cherry picking suggests taking quotes out of context which I didn’t do. There is no excuse for using human shields.
What is YOURS, sir? Do you or do you not support the IDF’s use of Palestinian children as human shields? I’ve already stated in another thread that I condemn any violations of the Geneva Conventions on the part of Palestinians.
They also point out that the IDF ignores it.
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Brooklyn
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You give me 10 or 11 links, and tell me that I should look through all these how many pages on the internet for your specific quotes, when in general all these links confirm the fact that Israel is not a terrorist state?
Gimme a break here. If you can’t put a link to each quote, then it doesn’t stand the test.
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EmperorNapoleon
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Acutally, I provided you with 11 links and the specific section from which those quotes were taken. Did you look under the specific section I mentioned?
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iamrefreshed
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Unlike Hamas whose Charter states…
Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors. (Friendly crowd!)
And this becomes an individual duty binding on every Muslim man and woman; a woman must go out and fight the enemy even without her husband’s authorization, and a slave without his masters’ permission. (See, Muslims believe in slavery!)
There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. (Hmmm, think they’ll accept a two state solution? NOT!!!)
And they VOTED these thugs into office!
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Brooklyn
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Your “specific section” was:
"Start under “Arbitrary Interference with Privacy, Family, Home, or Correspondence” in the Occupied Territories section. The quotes are taken from multiple reports.
As you say here “multiple reports.” It’s like looking for a needle in a haystack, and I am not about to do it. If you can’t be more specific, as I said, your quotes mean nothing. You also have not responded to my other posts, which I gave specific links to. The State Department in their 2009 report specifically says: "The [Israeli] government generally respected the human rights of its citizens, although there were problems in some areas. "
state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2009/nea/136070.htm
That is a lot different than the picture that you are painting.
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scipio337
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Actually, cherry-picking is
“…the act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data”, which you have done.
I vehemently DO NOT SUPPORT YOUR CHERRY-PICKING. I hope I was clear enough.
Actually, IN THIS VERY THREAD, I have condemned these acts.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6744090&postcount=88
Now, sir, if you also condemn the acts of the Palestinian Arabs, why do you not point them out on the State Dept website, or are so quick to point out Israeli atrocities, without also acknowledging that Palestinian Arabs have done the same?
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EmperorNapoleon
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Except that I’ve already told you exactly where the needle is. I’ve provided the links and told you the specific section. Why don’t you look in that specific section?
Because the person I’m responding to isn’t denying that Palestinians have done it; they’re denying that Israel is doing it.
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iamrefreshed
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كافر
Me too!
Me too!
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Brooklyn
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And as I said, the “specific” section is pages long, and you don’t say what year each quote is from. It is definitely a “needle in a haystack.”
Why don’t you respond to the fact that the State Department says Israel “generally respected the human rights of its citizens, although there were problems in some areas.”???
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EmperorNapoleon
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Uh, no it’s not. The specific section includes a few paragraphs. Read it.
Because we’re talking about what Israel does in the Occupied Territories. You should also read on to see that insitutionalized racism is one of those problems.
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