(Irish) Archbishop urges lapsed Catholics to leave the faith

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This news report is another example of wayward clergy. The story says the attendees are so poor they have to pay to get into a synagogue!

Today’s world is turning to “send them away if they don’t pray or pay”! 😃
 
I’m not Irish so I can’t comment but I would think that it’s still better to have people attend the odd service than none at all. That way at least it’s possible for some to return and if not, perhaps others such as their children will grow up in the tradition.
 
I have a question. Lets say the Catholic person has “left” the Church at least according to this bishop and some here on this forum. And the person becomes further alienated as a result of this type of action or thinking. So they find a pastor of a non Catholic ecclesial community willing to officiate at the exchange of wedding vows. As a result this person and his or her partner feel more welcomed at their new place of worship and spend a lifetime as part of that worshiping community. Many yrs pass. The Catholic who “left” is now of a ripe, old age. On his or her deathbed. Unable to speak. A Catholic sibling who did not “leave” calls a priest to administer the Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick to the Catholic who “left”. Will they be denied this Sacrament as well?
 
Luvtosew said:
if you want someone to leave the Church that would be the straw that breaks the camels back.
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Could very well be. If that happens will the person who placed the stumbling block in front of the Baptized non practicing Catholic by urging them either to completely leave the faith or to not call themselves a Catholic, have to answer to a higher authority someday?
 
saveusfromhell said:
but your talking about something different than what the bishop is refering to.
it’s about people who come to mass for their wedding funeral and baptism. not someone who is struggling to come to terms with the teaching of the church
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So it’s better for such people to not come to Mass at all? And if they’re not attending weekly, to just skip Christmas and Easter too while they’re at it?
 
CMatt25 said:
So it’s better for such people to not come to Mass at all? And if they’re not attending weekly, to just skip Christmas and Easter too while they’re at it?
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come to mass but don’t recieve communion, unless they have had a change of heart.
why would any practising catholic want to see christ mocked? people who don’t believe and openly confess to not believing, come to mass and go to holy communion at christmas funerals and weddings.
personaly i’m always delighted to see people attending mass for any reason.
at the same time they should recieve Jesus in the sacrement of the alter only on God’s terms.
 
CMatt25 said:
Could very well be. If that happens will the person who placed the stumbling block in front of the Baptized non practicing Catholic by urging them either to completely leave the faith or to not call themselves a Catholic, have to answer to a higher authority someday?
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could it be that people who encourage non practising catholics to recieve holy communion, could have to answer to a higher authourity some day
 
Tigg said:
Not theater at all – it is a strategy that has been successfully employed by dissidents. For instance, radical feminist, Rosemary Ruether, when she gave a keynote address to the infamous Chicago Call to Action, has been quoted as saying “agencies of the spiritual revolution must remember unless we manage to insert what we are doing back into the main institutional vehicles of ministry and community, it will have no lasting impact.” This quote was published in a Jesuit journal (I have no link.) She was also quoted as saying “Roman Catholicism goes along the same as ever when dissatisfied people leave it, happily relieved of their critical presence.”
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Based on the governmental reports coming out of Ireland in the wake of their abuse scandals, it might have been more appropriate for the archbishop to invite some of his bishops to leave the faith, their having effectively abandoned it by their inaction and cover-ups.
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
Based on the governmental reports coming out of Ireland in the wake of their abuse scandals, it might have been more appropriate for the archbishop to invite some of his bishops to leave the faith, their having effectively abandoned it by their inaction and cover-ups.
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why? are bishops not allowed avail of confession?
although i think he may have sugested they stand down as bishops
 
Yellow_Belle said:
It’s even harder to take snide posts seriously.
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i’m not trying to be snide, i just fail to see how anybody who lives in ireland today could believe that. in fact i’m sorry, but I don’t believe you think that, it occurs to me your simply gilding the lilly .
 
saveusfromhell said:
they know themselves if they are in motal sin.
nobody can blame someone else for their sins.
you say who is to judge if they are in sin are not (missing the point) then go on and infere that the bishop is in sin.
people who call themselves catholics yet half believe do untold damage to the faith.
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They do not know whether they are in mortal sin. Actually no one knows.
I did not say the bishop was in sin You said it.
“Damage to the faith”? Coud you elaborate ? Why?
Not for me. They do no damage to my faith…
 
Tigg said:
Not theater at all – it is a strategy that has been successfully employed by dissidents. For instance, radical feminist, Rosemary Ruether, when she gave a keynote address to the infamous Chicago Call to Action, has been quoted as saying “agencies of the spiritual revolution must remember unless we manage to insert what we are doing back into the main institutional vehicles of ministry and community, it will have no lasting impact.” This quote was published in a Jesuit journal (I have no link.) She was also quoted as saying “Roman Catholicism goes along the same as ever when dissatisfied people leave it, happily relieved of their critical presence.”
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As I know nothing about it, I agree with you…
 
The overwhelming majority of lapsed/“cafeteria” Catholics simply wont listen if you sit them down and try to explain Church teaching on the Sacraments, Church authority etc. In fact you wont get them in the door to even begin trying to explain.

However telling them to simply leave could illicit a response in them to ask “why?”, to explore why His Grace is saying such a thing etc. To hopefully learn and understand what true Church teaching is.

There’s also the fact that the faithful must be protected from scandal, disobedience, heresy etc.
 
Pfaffenhoffen said:
They do not know whether they are in mortal sin. Actually no one knows.
I did not say the bishop was in sin You said it.
“Damage to the faith”? Coud you elaborate ? Why?
Not for me. They do no damage to my faith…
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to commit a mortal sin you need to know your committing a mortal sin?
i said you inferred it by putting it in the post or do you just randomly go around saying “are bishops sinless”?

great that they don’t do damage to your faith but that is as far as you can go with that statement.there is also a large ammount of threads devoted to a further devolpment of this in CAF. ,.
 
saveusfromhell said:
to commit a mortal sin you need to know your committing a mortal sin?
i said you inferred it by putting it in the post or do you just randomly go around saying “are bishops sinless”?

great that they don’t do damage to your faith but that is as far as you can go with that statement.there is also a large ammount of threads devoted to a further devolpment of this in CAF. ,.
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here is a quote from st faustina novena about lukewarm souls from christ.

ewtn.com/devotionals/mercy/novena.htm#9
although who would be brave enough to say lord i am not lukewarm, not I anyway

maybe as a previous poster said this may shake them up to realise one foot in is not enough. maybe that was ths bishop’s goal in saying what he said
 
saveusfromhell said:
come to mass but don’t recieve communion, unless they have had a change of heart.
why would any practising catholic want to see christ mocked? people who don’t believe and openly confess to not believing, come to mass and go to holy communion at christmas funerals and weddings.
personaly i’m always delighted to see people attending mass for any reason.
at the same time they should recieve Jesus in the sacrement of the alter only on God’s terms.
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It used to be (I’m old) that most at Mass did not receive communion. Back then you went to the altar rail. Now it has become the practice for everybody to line up and receive. Whole different attitude. It seems receiving is just “what Catholics do.”
 
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