Irrefutable proof of the existence of God

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To Abba:

I may not have given you the best answer last night. I was kind of tired when I wrestled with it. But I’ve slept on it now and I think this is really the answer you are looking for.

As I said before we must put our Faith in eternal truths that cannot change. And the 2/3rds Rule is not an eternal truth, it is a theory. As such it is susceptible to change and even collapse. Having studied it for 19 years I don’t think it will. But it could. So it would be very foolish to place our faith in it.

So what good is it? That is what I think you are asking

Well imagine a world united in acceptance of the Truths and Sacraments disseminated by one Church; that One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church we both hold dear. This is a world at peace is it not? This is a world where we’ve stopped killing each other for stupid reasons and can finally get something positive accomplished. This is a world where we’ve finally realized Christ’s utmost intentions for us by becoming His united Body on earth. And we got there not because we placed oiur salvation on a silly mathematical formula but because the preponderance of empirical evidence now suggests through that formula that the Catholic Church really is the smart way to go. That is my vision for the future anyway. And that is the reason I feel such a sense of responsibility to get this discovery out to the public. Maybe I don;t use the correct tactics. Maybe I am guilty of sensationalizing. But as Jochoa pointed out I’m excited about this. I also know that one way or another this vision I have will one day be realized. And in my own haste to try to bring it about I have certainly made some blunders. I will certainly make more and my apologies once again for that. But hopefully you can see through those blunders and find your way to the meat of what I am talking about.
 
Some people are so gullible, they’ll believe absolutely anything if the guru keeps repeating it.
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empther said:
Does anybody around here have the ability to think?
Doesn’t look like it.
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All I have seen you do is go beyond criticizing the OP in stating that he is a fraud, a liar, a cheat and a cultist. You have absolutely no evidence of that, since you’ve read not even one page of his book. No one else has, either, but the majority of the people here are civil and are approaching it with the correct amount of skepticism and interest.

Everyone else on here is approaching it correctly and is thinking. It seems like you’re the only one taking a side on blind faith, since you have absolutely no evidence. Like others have said, his discovery has brought an atheist into Christ and His Church. I just can’t see criticizing someone so vehemently if that is the end result.

You’re also throwing around ‘guru’ and ‘cult’ very haphazardly. He has stated, time and time again, that he has proven that Jesus Christ is God and that the Catholic Church is the one true Church. Does that mean that the Catholic Church is a cult?
 
empther said:
Dandingo,

Can you read these two webpages and still believe this charlatan is telling the truth?

http://gospelofcreation.com/accolades.php

http://gospelofcreation.com/reveal23rds.php

If you can then I feel very sorry for you. :imsorry:

“worse than death is the life of a fool” – Sirach 22, 11
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I NEVER said he’s telling the truth. What I said was that none of us know since we haven’t read the book. But can you honestly say that the entirety, or even majority of his book is false, considering everything that he researched and wrote led him to Jesus Christ and The Catholic Church?
 
I NEVER said he’s telling the truth.
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Buit you won’t say
his ridiculous claims about that his 23rds rule revealing all the mysteries of the universe including the exact date of the Big Bang and what happened to the 10 lost tribes of Israel and a hundred other insane claims
are false.

You’re not being honest, dandingo. :mad:

Good by. :sad_bye:
 
To Dandingo

And to be clear there is quite a bit of testimony on this thread that corroborates the Accolades section of the website and there is now also the testimony of a CAF member (Jochoa) who has actually bought and read the “Intro” and is full of praise for it.

And what you are saying makes a lot of sense. My claims may be preposterous but so far no one has been able to prove them wrong, and some have actually been able to support some of it. As for me all I can say is I swear am not trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes. and if i was trying to bilk anyone I would be smart enough to try something a little more believable somehing that people might be more inclined to accept, don’t you think?

Thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut

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itt23r said:
to whaddyamean

Care to elaborate on that one a bit?
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Uhhhhhh… Are you one of those who have not done due diligence on the history of the Church from other than, but including, it’s own version?
 
itt23r said:
To Dandingo

And to be clear there is quite a bit of testimony on this thread that corroborates the Accolades section of the website and there is now also the testimony of a CAF member (Jochoa) who has actually bought and read the “Intro” and is full of praise for it.

And what you are saying makes a lot of sense. My claims may be preposterous but so far no one has been able to prove them wrong, and some have actually been able to support some of it. As for me all I can say is I swear am not trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes. and if i was trying to bilk anyone I would be smart enough to try something a little more believable somehing that people might be more inclined to accept, don’t you think?

Thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut

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I agree. If someone were to make something up in order to ‘scam’ people, would one make up something so preposterous that the majority of people wouldn’t even bother batting an eye at it? That sure as heck wouldn’t get you a lot of repeat customers. Not only that, but the first person to read it would spread the word that the author is a scame. Also, if it really is fabricated, would you still be here intensely defending it over and over, while still standing behind it? I do believe that you may be walking a fine line in call it the ‘5th Gospel’.

I still don’t know if it’s true, since I haven’t read any of it, but I also don’t know that it isn’t. This is, in no way, a stab at you. It is sincere honesty. I read the 2/3rds intro on your site and to be honest, it confuses me. I’m interested to hear more from Jochoa.

This is all only my opinion, of course.
 
To Whattyamean

I’ve heard many versions of Church history. The closest to my view that I’ve read thus far was written by the late Warren Carroll. Which version is the closest to the one you ascribe to?
 
To Dandingo;

Regarding the 5th Gospel

We’ve been going round and round on that one here but the bottom line is I am not claiming that my book is a 5th Gospel. I agree, that would be arrogant and blasphemous. My claim is that all of Creation is the 5th Gospel and that a simple mathematical formula can be used to discern the interworkings of Christ (the Logos) throughout that Gospel. And the book, though it is called The Gospel of Creation, is better understood as a book about the Gospel that is found throughout Creation.
 
itt23r said:
To Dandingo;

Regarding the 5th Gospel

We’ve been going round and round on that one here but the bottom line is I am not claiming that my book is a 5th Gospel. I agree, that would be arrogant and blasphemous. My claim is that all of Creation is the 5th Gospel and that a simple mathematical formula can be used to discern the interworkings of Christ (the Logos) throughout that Gospel. And the book, though it is called The Gospel of Creation, is better understood as a book about the Gospel that is found throughout Creation.
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I understand. I missed that part of the thread. That makes more sense.
 
Dandingo must be itt23r’s brother-in-law…

Here are some claims itt23r makes for his 23rds rule on his website:

http://gospelofcreation.com/reveal23rds.php
the exact age of the Universe. :eek:
the age of our solar system.

the rationale behind the creation of dinosaurs.
whether or not our hominid ancestors ever lived in water. we used to be whales? ]

why the neanderthals disappeared.

And it also gives us its own versions of the periodic table and the grand unification theorem. that alone deserves 15 Nobel prizes! 👍 ]

the true length of each Day of the 6 Days of Creation
what happened to the lost tribes of Israel. they went looking for the neanderthals? :confused: ]
what happened during Jesus’ hidden years now that’s getting blasphemous, itt23r :mad: ]

Along the way it also provides us (believe it or not) I believe it. 🙂 Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were terrible reporters. 😉 ] the exact dates of Jesus’ conception, birth, baptism, death, resurrection and ascension, John the Baptist’s conception birth, death and the onset of his ministry and Mother Mary’s conception, birth and dormition and the Holidays associated with all of them.
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Anybody who thinks there’s the remotest chance of these claims being true is an idiot.
 
empther said:
Dandingo must be itt23r’s brother-in-law…

Here are some claims itt23r makes for his 23rds rule on his website:

http://gospelofcreation.com/reveal23rds.php

Anybody who thinks there’s the remotest chance of these claims being true is an idiot.
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I can’t believe I’m even responding to you but your posts just seem to be so negative. I never said I agreed with the OP. I never said the OP was wrong, either. I simply said that you stating outright that you know for a fact that everything in his book is false is a fallacious argument. Read the book first and then criticize it, not him.

He is not here stating that Osiris is the god of monkey men and his book proves it. He is stating that he has figured out that Jesus Christ is the one true Messiah and that The Catholic Church is the one true Church. I’m guessing that he was so excited about his findings that he wanted approval to see if what he has discovered makes sense. In his mind, it does. I don’t know of any respected Christian Apologists that criticize Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion or Christopher Hitchens’ God is Not Great without first reading and analyzing it. That is the only point I’m making.

Oh and by the way, I’ve been a member on here for a year and a half but I appreciate you criticizing your own brothers and sisters with such ferocity and calling me an idiot.
 
Thank you Empther for reposting some of that web page

And I am perfectly content in relying on time and those who’ve actually read the book to decide whether or not I’m correct in those assertions. Can you say the same?
 
I can’t believe I’m even responding to you but your posts just seem to be so negative. I never said I agreed with the OP. I never said the OP was wrong, either. I simply said that you stating outright that you know for a fact that everything in his book is false is a fallacious argument. Read the book first and then criticize it, not him.
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You still don’t get it.

If you change anything about what is believed about Jesus, such as what he was doing during the “hidden years”, or any details about other people in the Bible,
you change who they are,
because what they do reveals who they are.
And so, the Popes are silent about the “hidden years” and other such matters, but itt23r knows better than the Popes! :mad:

What God wants us to know about Jesus and the other Biblical matters mentioned above
have already been revealed to us by God,
and God doesn’t need Saint iit23r’s help.
 
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