Is Adventism Christian

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Esdra said:
Mhm, and a Seveneth-Day-Adventist wouldn’t say, if you’d ask him?
We once had a Seventh-Day-Adventist minister (a she) in our house. Mom talked for a while to her. Finally she asked her which affiliation she would have, and she answered, “Adventist”.

But, yes you are right, if we would make a seminar or so, it would definitly on the flyer say somewhere “Evangelikale Freikirche Imst”.
But I can see LiftHimUp’s point of view as well, it’s not about the denomination but about Jesus.
As our pastor once said, it’s not so important to which denomination you are affiliated with, as long as you have accepted Jesus as your saviour.
This is also the reason why Pentecostals, Baptists and the “Free Evangelical Churches” often worship together. We even had once a Mennonite minister as a preacher in our church. (And 3 weeks ago a Messianic Jew.)
Nevertheless, when I had asked him about the SDA, he answered, “Keep away from them, they’re a cult and no ‘brothers and sisters in Christ’.”
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Hi my friend. I would say its about honesty. Plain and simple. If you tell me your a Catholic, then I have an idea where you will probably be coming from. If you tell me your a Latter Day Saint, then I know you will be coming from a different angle. If you hide your affiliation, then I have to wonder what your angle is, and what you are trying to hide. I have over a very long time come to the conclusion that Adventism is a cult. this has not been easy, because I had the impression they were a Christian movement for the longest time. It was not until some Adventist posters here wrote some things, that Made me start delving deeper into their doctrines and teachings. They are following Adventist doctrines. Adventism is at best , semi Arian. Its views of the Trinity are based on an ancient heresy. Their views on Christ are heretical as well. I have had no Adventist come on here and tell me I am mistaken. Im still waiting. The evidence continues to mount that this is not a Christian movement at all. But that being said, I do believe there are people within this system who still hold to the truth about Christ, The Trinity, Etc. That I can accept them as I do my protestant bretheran. I will take it on a case by case basis, whenever I meet one. Peace 🙂
 
GaryTaylor said:
If its not about denomination but Jesus, than why arn’t we all Catholics?
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Well, that’s a little bit more difficult.

'Though Baptists and similar groups are not so offensive anti-catholic than the SDA, they still believe that Catholics don’t have the full truth. They, like the SDA, believe also in a kind of apostasy of the CC.
Thus, not all Catholics are seen as Christians, but only those who have accepted Jesus as their saviour (i.e. Charismatic Catholics and similar groups within the Catholic Church).
And thus Austria, as a mainly Catholic dominated country (where the CC is even the state-Church), is seen is “missionary territiory”. For example our pastor is actually a missionary.

I mean, I personally have difficulties believing that Catholics (or at least only very few) are not Christians. - But people in my church and similar ones do believe that in various degrees. - Some even go that far as the SDA. - Meaning are openly Anti-Catholic. (Yes, I also got to know such people.)
 
benidict said:
Hi my friend. I would say its about honesty. Plain and simple. If you tell me your a Catholic, then I have an idea where you will probably be coming from. If you tell me your a Latter Day Saint, then I know you will be coming from a different angle. If you hide your affiliation, then I have to wonder what your angle is, and what you are trying to hide. I have over a very long time come to the conclusion that Adventism is a cult. this has not been easy, because I had the impression they were a Christian movement for the longest time. It was not until some Adventist posters here wrote some things, that Made me start delving deeper into their doctrines and teachings. They are following Adventist doctrines. Adventism is at best , semi Arian. Its views of the Trinity are based on an ancient heresy. Their views on Christ are heretical as well. I have had no Adventist come on here and tell me I am mistaken. Im still waiting. The evidence continues to mount that this is not a Christian movement at all. But that being said, I do believe there are people within this system who still hold to the truth about Christ, The Trinity, Etc. That I can accept them as I do my protestant bretheran. I will take it on a case by case basis, whenever I meet one. Peace 🙂
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So you could say, “Adventism is borderline between cult and ‘seperated brethern’”? 😉

I like the sentence in bold. 😃 😉

Peace.
 
Esdra said:
So you could say, “Adventism is borderline between cult and ‘seperated brethern’”? 😉

I like the sentence in bold. 😃 😉

Peace.
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Not exactly my friend. The Teachings of the SDA movement are contrary to Christian Doctrine that has been taught for 2000 years. The teachings of the Latter Day Saints is contrary to the same. The teachings of the Jehovahs Witnesses Is Contrary to the same. Adventism is in my opinion not Christian, but a Cult. There are people however that are in all 3 of these organizations who I do have a good hope for. I make my own mind up on a case by case basis. This has nothing to do, with weather or not I like them or not. It has to do, with Who they say Christ is. How they personally define the Trinity. etc. You cannot seperate Adventism from E.G. White. She was in serious error. Joseph Smith? Same thing. I wont even speak of Charles Taze Russell. He is just to obvious. If the person has a Catholic view of Christ. If they have a Catholic view of the Trinity. I accept them as seperated bretheren. If not…then no. Then they go into the mission field catagory…😉 Peace 🙂
 
If karollee does not mind, I will use her as an example. Apparently, she held to a Trinitarian view that was decidedly Catholic even when she was an Adventist. She also states Jesus was not Michael. If I had met her before her conversion, and heard her, I could accept her as a seperated sister, reguardless of her affiliation. Oh yes. I thank God that He has revealed himself to her in a very special way. Peace 🙂
 
benidict said:
Hi my friend. I would say its about honesty. Plain and simple. If you tell me your a Catholic, then I have an idea where you will probably be coming from. If you tell me your a Latter Day Saint, then I know you will be coming from a different angle. If you hide your affiliation, then I have to wonder what your angle is, and what you are trying to hide. I have over a very long time come to the conclusion that Adventism is a cult. this has not been easy, because I had the impression they were a Christian movement for the longest time. It was not until some Adventist posters here wrote some things, that Made me start delving deeper into their doctrines and teachings. They are following Adventist doctrines.
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Adventism is at best , semi Arian. Its views of the Trinity are based on an ancient heresy. Their views on Christ are heretical as well. I have had no Adventist come on here and tell me I am mistaken. Im still waiting.
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But aren’t some Oriental Orthodox Churches as well Nestorian? The Coptic Orthodox is, if I don’t err, as well as the Assyrian Orthodox Church…
If there are still Arianistic Churches, I don’t know. But I think it’s likely that some Oriental Orthodox Churches are Arianistic.
Because otherwise, why should they have abondend the Council of Ephesus (Was it Ephesus where the Oriental schism occured? Not sure! :()
The evidence continues to mount that this is not a Christian movement at all. But that being said, I do believe there are people within this system who still hold to the truth about Christ, The Trinity, Etc. That I can accept them as I do my protestant bretheran. I will take it on a case by case basis, whenever I meet one. Peace 🙂
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Esdra said:
But aren’t some Oriental Orthodox Churches as well Nestorian? The Coptic Orthodox is, if I don’t err, as well as the Assyrian Orthodox Church…
If there are still Arianistic Churches, I don’t know. But I think it’s likely that some Oriental Orthodox Churches are Arianistic.
Because otherwise, why should they have abondend the Council of Ephesus (Was it Ephesus where the Oriental schism occured? Not sure! :()
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I am going to be very hones my friend. I am not well educated as to the Orthodox. Ive tried…but it seems very complex! I will admit, I really do not understand it enough to make a statement about them. LOL! however there are certain things that they teach, that I could never agree with. I think…We shall have to ask someone else. I will let you start that thread.😛 hopefully they an educate me so I can at least have a working knowledge. Peace 🙂
 
Esdra said:
But aren’t some Oriental Orthodox Churches as well Nestorian? The Coptic Orthodox is, if I don’t err, as well as the Assyrian Orthodox Church…
If there are still Arianistic Churches, I don’t know. But I think it’s likely that some Oriental Orthodox Churches are Arianistic.
Because otherwise, why should they have abondend the Council of Ephesus (Was it Ephesus where the Oriental schism occured? Not sure! :()
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Highly contested topic by them especially considering Nestorius, was Patriarch of Constantinople.
 
Hey Esdra. I was just looking at our avitars. A Pit Bull, and A Wolf. How appropriate is this? 😃
 
benidict said:
I am going to be very hones my friend. I am not well educated as to the Orthodox. Ive tried…but it seems very complex! I will admit, I really do not understand it enough to make a statement about them. LOL! however there are certain things that they teach, that I could never agree with. I think…We shall have to ask someone else. I will let you start that thread.😛 hopefully they an educate me so I can at least have a working knowledge. Peace 🙂
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Here it is. 🙂

Hopefully we both get an insight into Oriental Orthodoxy with this thread… 😉

Peace.
 
benidict said:
Hey Esdra. I was just looking at our avitars. A Pit Bull, and A Wolf. How appropriate is this? 😃
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Mhm, they are both canids, aren’t they? So why shouldn’t that be appropriate? ^^

'Though I find wolves cooler than a pit bull. 😉
You know, a wolf is the original. 😃
 
Esdra said:
Mhm, they are both canids, aren’t they? So why shouldn’t that be appropriate? ^^

'Though I find wolves cooler than a pit bull. 😉
You know, a wolf is the original. 😃
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Yes, I decided to put this avitar up, since I just got done with a very dicey situation. I will p.m. you. Peace 🙂
 
benidict said:
Not exactly my friend. The Teachings of the SDA movement are contrary to Christian Doctrine that has been taught for 2000 years. The teachings of the Latter Day Saints is contrary to the same. The teachings of the Jehovahs Witnesses Is Contrary to the same. Adventism is in my opinion not Christian, but a Cult. There are people however that are in all 3 of these organizations who I do have a good hope for. I make my own mind up on a case by case basis. This has nothing to do, with weather or not I like them or not. It has to do, with Who they say Christ is. How they personally define the Trinity. etc. You cannot seperate Adventism from E.G. White. She was in serious error. Joseph Smith? Same thing. I wont even speak of Charles Taze Russell. He is just to obvious. If the person has a Catholic view of Christ. If they have a Catholic view of the Trinity. I accept them as seperated bretheren. If not…then no. Then they go into the mission field catagory…😉 Peace 🙂
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Of course teachings of SDAism are “opposite” to catholicism. There is no hiding that. But to say that SDAism is a cult is too far in my opinion. If one goes searching for understanding with preconceived notions then they will surely come to the conclusion that any denomination is a cult. I say pray that the Holy Spirit leads you like the bible tells us and go and research SDAism from actual SDA sources and not anti-SDA sources. If someone says Mrs. White says “this” then you should read the entire section and not one sentence. I’m not saying that you have done that but most anti-SDA’s do. It’s not only disgusting but rude and disrespectful. Calling something a cult is a serious accusation and during my time on this website you have failed to prove by the bible that SDAism is a cult. Before you continue to call SDAism a cult, you should as a Christian take into consideration the people that you may influence on this website. Please use scripture to prove everything because this is dangerous ground that you are stepping on my friend as far as salvation is concerned.
 
LiftHimUp said:
Of course teachings of SDAism are “opposite” to catholicism. There is no hiding that. But to say that SDAism is a cult is too far in my opinion. If one goes searching for understanding with preconceived notions then they will surely come to the conclusion that any denomination is a cult. I say pray that the Holy Spirit leads you like the bible tells us and go and research SDAism from actual SDA sources and not anti-SDA sources. If someone says Mrs. White says “this” then you should read the entire section and not one sentence. I’m not saying that you have done that but most anti-SDA’s do. It’s not only disgusting but rude and disrespectful. Calling something a cult is a serious accusation and during my time on this website you have failed to prove by the bible that SDAism is a cult. Before you continue to call SDAism a cult, you should as a Christian take into consideration the people that you may influence on this website. Please use scripture to prove everything because this is dangerous ground that you are stepping on my friend as far as salvation is concerned.
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Everything I have provided is from their own mouth my friend. I have also read many of E.G. Whites books. There was no preconceived notion. As I have stated. for the longest time, I accepted Adventism as Christian. based upon statements made by Adventist on this forum, Including your own. As well as a mountain of evidence I have on hand. I have come to the conclusion they are a cult. I am not the one on dangerous ground my friend. It is the followers of E.G. White, who was in communication with “Watchers”, which are demonic spirits that are on dangerous ground. I do take into consideration those I may influence. I would rather Christ consider me Anathema, If it saves on Catholic from going over to a Movement that could cost them dearly. I have provided many scriptures on other threads. you may research them if you like. Just look through my post. I have nothing to hide. I do not feel my salvation is in jepardy contending for the truth. Your dire warnings are noted, and carry no weight. Peace 🙂
 
Oh one more thing. the bible states we are to listen to the Church. To listen to those that Christ has put in charge of us. Not just read the bible and come to our own conclusion. That authority has not been given to us. It has been given to qualified men who are descended from the Apostles. These are who I listen to, And these are those who hold the Authority Christ gave. Who Is the Authority my friend? Christ, or E.G. White? Who are we to obey? Peace 🙂
 
benidict said:
Yes, but prosylatizing is against the forum rules. so I will just have to pray. for them. 👍
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I’ve always thought, as this is a Catholic forum, Catholics ARE allowed to prosytelize non-Catholics? But not vice-versa.
At least someone has told me here once.
 
Esdra said:
I’ve always thought, as this is a Catholic forum, Catholics ARE allowed to prosytelize non-Catholics? But not vice-versa.
At least someone has told me here once.
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to my knowlege my dear brother, I dont believe so. I do not believe I would do so here. I am happy Just to defend Catholicism. Peace 🙂
 
they shall be judged till they are finished." - 1 Enoch 19:1
1 Enoch 85-90 gives a similar account of the fall of the angels. In these passages, a star (either Semjaza or Azazel) fell from heaven and began to pasture among the oxen (mankind). A number of stars then fell and were transformed into bulls. They began to cover the cows (the angels married mortal women), who then gave birth to elephants, camels, and asses (the giants). The oxen then became restless and began to fight, but they became prey to the wild beasts. The archangels then appear in the disguise of men. One seizes the first of the fallen stars and casts it into the abyss. A second gives the elephants, camels, and asses a sword so that they will slay each other. A third archangel stones the other fallen stars and casts them into the gulf. The story then goes on to describe the Maccabean revolt, which leads to a description of the final struggle between good and evil.

It seems that there is a threefold aspect to the sin of the Watchers in these accounts. First, it was a defilement of the essence of the angels to marry and engage in sexual acts with human women. Second, these unions between the angels and mortal women were considered evil, themselves. Because of the Nephilim and and evil created by these unions, God caused the great Flood of Noah’s time. Finally, the angels sinned because they taught humanity and revealing the secrets of the natural universe which God did not intend for man to know.
E.G. White makes many references to the Watchers in her writings. And in a positive light. Who is she really refering to? Who was she receiving her teachings from? I think we have a responsibility to understand where she got her direction.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/articleview.asp?Post=188
 
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