Is capitalism a special form of slavery?

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You may not be a political scientist, But you dont seem to have a problem with using the full military force of the western world to remove the dictators you dont like. You really need to get a better understanding of economics, just because the Pope says it so, doesnt make it so. His job is to make sure souls go to heaven, the redistribution of wealth is outside the power of the church.
Where did I mention a redistribution of wealth? I would have no problems with capitalism if safeguards were in place so that people with lot of wealth were also humanitarian and of good character, but I know this would never happen and thus I side with some form of socialism. The extinction of extreme poverty must become the number one priority. How can we love our neighbor as ourself if we look the other way when it comes to needless suffering?
 
Where did I mention a redistribution of wealth? I would have no problems with capitalism if safeguards were in place so that people with lot of wealth were also humanitarian and of good character, but I know this would never happen and thus I side with some form of socialism. The extinction of extreme poverty must become the number one priority. How can we love our neighbor as ourself if we look the other way when it comes to needless suffering?
Some form of socialism is the same as kinda pregnant. There is no such thing.
 
Some form of socialism is the same as kinda pregnant. There is no such thing.
Capitalism has had it’s time and place, especially in the building of America over the past few hundred years or so. But it was never problem free, as I have stated in this thread. What the world needs now is a system that promotes humanitarianism. Maybe capitalism can be tailored to be much more humanitarian and eliminate the poverty we see in Third-World countries, but it seem to me that it promotes greed and excessive materialism and waste. My adjusted gross income last year was only $7,032, but I’m content with that and I’m not going hungry and I live in an apartment with a roof over my head. My joy comes from within and no amount of materialism can distract me from God. The less I have, the more spiritual I seem to become and the less I desire material things. I thank God.
 
Capitalism has had it’s time and place, especially in the building of America over the past few hundred years or so. But it was never problem free, as I have stated in this thread. What the world needs now is a system that promotes humanitarianism. Maybe capitalism can be tailored to be much more humanitarian and eliminate the poverty we see in Third-World countries, but it seem to me that it promotes greed and excessive materialism and waste. My adjusted gross income last year was only $7,032, but I’m content with that and I’m not going hungry and I live in an apartment with a roof over my head. My joy comes from within and no amount of materialism can distract me from God. The less I have, the more spiritual I seem to become and the less I desire material things. I thank God.
LOL, capitalism has been the primary driver of any economy since man first started trading goods, we are talking 10’s of thousands of years ago.

It’s commendable to live within your means and focus on spiritual pursuits.
 
LOL, capitalism has been the primary driver of any economy since man first started trading goods, we are talking 10’s of thousands of years ago.

It’s commendable to live within your means and focus on spiritual pursuits.
And communism\socialism has also been around for a long time, quite successfully, in the religious communities! What sort of system is Vatican City under?
 
And communism\socialism has also been around for a long time, quite successfully, in the religious communities! What sort of system is Vatican City under?
The Vatican is like any Govt entity in this matter, they tax their ‘citizens’ and spend the taxes (tithes)
 
Capitalism has had it’s time and place, especially in the building of America over the past few hundred years or so. But it was never problem free, as I have stated in this thread. What the world needs now is a system that promotes humanitarianism. Maybe capitalism can be tailored to be much more humanitarian and eliminate the poverty we see in Third-World countries, but it seem to me that it promotes greed and excessive materialism and waste. My adjusted gross income last year was only $7,032, but I’m content with that and I’m not going hungry and I live in an apartment with a roof over my head. My joy comes from within and no amount of materialism can distract me from God. The less I have, the more spiritual I seem to become and the less I desire material things. I thank God.
Then by your very admission, those mired in poverty should be the most content and spiritual. Why would you want to take that away from them?
 
Then by your very admission, those mired in poverty should be the most content and spiritual. Why would you want to take that away from them?
This is off -track…

Maybe what Robert is referring to is Christian Humanism. Christianity is a worldview if you wish.
Much of the rub comes when one identifies,and I mean " identity" with an economic system.
Christian is a way of life. From there we can see the world and man.
I do not believe capitalism is a form of slavery. Nor I believe that it serves a purpose to constantly contrast it with communism,which is another worldview. And not compatible with Christianity.
It is excesses which we as people of good will tend to see and agree do not foster inclusion.
We know how hard if not impossible it is today to get back onto the train at the speed things are going.
I do understand ,though,that it is hard to see sometimes when you still have many alternatives. And that is a reason to be grateful about,and I am glad for you.
 
Then by your very admission, those mired in poverty should be the most content and spiritual. Why would you want to take that away from them?
Around twenty thousand children will die today, as a result of grinding poverty and preventable disease. It would be good to take this unjust, slow and painful death away from them, the Lord hears the cry of the poor.
•According to the most recent estimates, in 2012, 12.7 percent of the world’s population lived at or below $1.90 a day. That’s down from 37 percent in 1990 and 44 percent in 1981.worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/overview
 
Around twenty thousand children will die today, as a result of grinding poverty and preventable disease. It would be good to take this unjust, slow and painful death away from them, the Lord hears the cry of the poor.
If you figured out how to eliminate poverty, shame on you for hiding it from the rest of us!

What is the secret that works?

The world bank link attributes most of the decline to China, who accomplished their rise on the back of industrialization and significant growth in use of carbon fuels. It always seems to circle back to cheap energy as a base (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
The Vatican is like any Govt entity in this matter, they tax their ‘citizens’ and spend the taxes (tithes)
As people in a society grow in virtue, the less they will need a forceful economy like capitalism, and the less greedy they will become.
 
Then by your very admission, those mired in poverty should be the most content and spiritual. Why would you want to take that away from them?
I have a car, which is a must living in Los Angeles, and I have enough food and an apartment, but I do not desire much else. If I lost the little income I have, which may happen when I reach the age 65, life would become miserable. My only point is that people do not need a house in Beverly Hills to be content, and I feel sorry for those who think they do.

I used to have a very prestigious job in a non-profit think tank as a research psychologist who evaluated public policy, but there was an irresistible urge within me that wanted to grow closer to God by living in poverty. I wish I could live in a religious community.
 
With virtue, I think some form of socialism would work out and I think the Kibbutz in Israel bear this out.
 
As people in a society grow in virtue, the less they will need a forceful economy like capitalism, and the less greedy they will become.
I agree that as a world, we must (and will) grow in spiritual maturity,

But that process has zero, ZILCH to do with capitalism. Capitalism is a method of enabling the market to set and adjust pricing. The Govt will always fail when it attempts to control pricing.
 
With virtue, I think some form of socialism would work out and I think the Kibbutz in Israel bear this out.
The kibbutzim were created for a specific geographical condition and human need: the need to practice agriculture in extremely narrow geographic limits. They also had the ideal of Zionism to hold the system together.

Where such conditions did not exist (eg, the communes in North America) the results were much less positive. The Massachusetts Bay Colony also began as s collective and the results were near catastrophic.

ICXC NIKA
 
Capitalism has had it’s time and place, especially in the building of America over the past few hundred years or so. But it was never problem free, as I have stated in this thread. What the world needs now is a system that promotes humanitarianism. Maybe capitalism can be tailored to be much more humanitarian and eliminate the poverty we see in Third-World countries, but it seem to me that it promotes greed and excessive materialism and waste. My adjusted gross income last year was only $7,032, but I’m content with that and I’m not going hungry and I live in an apartment with a roof over my head. My joy comes from within and no amount of materialism can distract me from God. The less I have, the more spiritual I seem to become and the less I desire material things. I thank God.
Your AGI is only $7,000 and with that you and you alone pay 100% of your needs?
 
Your AGI is only $7,000 and with that you and you alone pay 100% of your needs?
I have social security disability, supplemental unemployment insurance benefits through Liberty Mutual and a small retirement benefit, which keep me afloat. I have a cheap one-bedroom apartment that goes for $1,100 under rent control and I have a 2003 Toyota that’s paid for and I often donate to Save the Children, a Catholic charity. But yes, my adjusted gross income came to just $7,032 last year. So my unadjusted gross income is a lot more, but I’m still considered living more than 150% below the poverty level.
 
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