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That’s what they all say! Care Bear STARE!It’s never been so solid
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ThinkingSapien
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Sair put emphasis on the word “might.” The statement is probabilistic. I’m sure you can distinguish between the two statementsSair;9403176:
that an atheist martyr for charity might have existed at some point in human history…]
And, heeeerrre it is folks!
Exactly.
The great faith in the existence of a Phantom.
“I’m pretty sure that he’s got to exist, somewhere, someplace, somehow!”
“I have the winning lottery ticket”
and
“I **might **have the winning lottery ticket.”
or
“This treatment will save his life.”
and
“This treatment **might **save his life.”
To me it seems inappropriate to cast it as a statement of faith and possibly dishonest.
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PRmerger
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Yes. That atheists and agnostics can be good without a belief in God, I have no doubt.
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Yes.
I can’t read something and determine whether it came from God or not.
(That’s the Protestant paradigm; although, like my PAK question that I love to pose to atheists,* that *Protestant paradigm prompts me to pose a favorite question to Protestants that always gets them in a tizzy: how do you know it’s inspired? How do you read, “My breath is offensive to my wife” and know that this is the Word of God?" That gets them in a dither (as it should).
How so?
Yes.
And that’s why I love ya, Sarah! :hug1:Sarah x
(But you ought to add: “that is, if I believed in God. Which I don’t. I’m an atheist.”
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atheistgirl
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No, I’m aware of the difference and that there’s 22 Churches that makes up the universal Catholic Church - 1 western Roman Catholic Church and 21 Eastern Catholic Churches.
I’m also aware of some of the differences in disciplines, such as allowing married priests, and babys receiving all three sacraments of baptizm, communion and confirmation all at once, similar to the Eastern Orthodox Churches.
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PRmerger
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Except that is what it means when you say you don’t believe everything in the Bible is inspired. So, logic states: if it’s in the Bible it’s either: a) inspired or b) not inspired.
You state that you know which ones are and which ones aren’t based on the Spirit.
I just want to know how the Spirit lets you know.
Ok. This appears to be a non-sequitur, but ok.
Okay.
But how does the Spirit let you know if it’s inspired or not?
That is very Catholic!
I do not believe that paragraph 113 says what you think it says.
Indeed.
Fair enough.
But how does the Spirit tell you when a verse is inspired or not? From discussing with others? Is that what you’re saying?
Fair enough.
And how does the Spirit tell you that Numbers 31 is not inspired but another verse is?
As you wish.
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PRmerger
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What about this one: based on the evidence, I believe that God *might *exist.
Is that a statement of faith, TS?
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atheistgirl
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How did the spirit let the Catholic Church know?I just want to know how the Spirit lets you know.
Why was so many councils required to discuss and agree things, if the Holy Spirit was inspiring them?
Did the Holy Spirit appear to them, or was it all thrashed out through discussion and agreement?
Since you say you don’t know what is inspired or not, but believe what the Church says is inspired or not, how do you know that those putting the canon together were actually inspired by the Holy Spirit?
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atheistgirl
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Oh Noooooooooooooo!!!
Anything but the Care Bear STARE :hypno::hypno::hypno:
I can resist everything but the Care Bear STARE!!!
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PRmerger
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I don’t know. I guess through the same way that the Holy Spirit spoke to the apostles about what was to be proclaimed.
For the same reason that you (presumably) have lots of family meetings. Sometimes your people misunderstand. Sometimes a new issue arises. Sometimes it just is good parenting to repeat and repeat and repeat.
I’m pretty certain that the Holy Spirit did not make a physical appearance there.
Because I believe in the words of Christ: I will not leave you orphans.Sarah x
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atheistgirl
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ThinkingSapien
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It’s an expression of a possible conclusion or a thought being entertained or isn’t being ruled out as impossible. The personal pronoun and the verb that follows it tells that it is a consideration in the mind of the person making the speaker. It could be exchange with the phrase “I think” and express the same meaning. It’s a statement that is not much unlike that of a from a juror in a court that thinks there is a possibility that some one committed some offense but hasn’t yet made a verdict decision.
Keeping this related to the comments that inspired it; since we’ve got limited knowledge of the actions and thoughts of people that existed prior to now right now it seems that we don’t have sufficient information to positively assert that a non-religions person with the attributes of interest did or did not exists. (And yes, I take that same stance with many god concepts. Though some god concepts are self contradicting from the start). Right now we can’t “prove” that one did or did not exists. There’s been a few attempts in this thread to explore possible outcomes if such a person did exists. But it appears that these attempts are quickly halted because of appears to me to be a refusal to temporarily treat the proposed person as one that has provisional existence.
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Ok.
As an atheist, I have no problem with ‘‘I don’t know’’ as an answer
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As a Believer, I have no problem with “I don’t know” as an answer either.
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Right.
And for some reason the atheists default position on this particular case is, “Well, then let’s presume that it’s possible that he exists.”
On matters of God, their default position is, “I don’t believe that he exists until you can provide evidence for this.”
That’s fine.
Except that for some reason you all are having a problem with my reversal of this.
My default position in this particular case is, “I don’t believe that he exists until you can provide evidence for this.”
See the similiarity in the positions posted in magenta?
Why can’t I have that default position?
I’d be happy to entertain possible outcomes of this, if someone were to say, “What would happen if the PAK were given the possibility of giving his life for an atheist or a Catholic. Whodo you think he would choose?” Start a thread on this, and I will concede his existence for that discussion.There’s been a few attempts in this thread to explore possible outcomes if such a person did exists. But it appears that these attempts are quickly halted because of appears to me to be a refusal to temporarily treat the proposed person as one that has provisional existence.
But the discussion on* this* thread is: show me the evidence for the Phantom.
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atheistgirl
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Have you read any of the lives of the humanitarian workers who were killed serving their fellow man.
I’ve mentioned some already but as I write I’m reminded of women like Linda Norgrove, who volunteered to work in Afghanistan improving the lives of women and children, in the full and certain knowledge she could be killed serving these people.
She was kidnapped, then killed during an attempted rescue.
She sacrificed her life through empathy for the women and children she worked with.
I don’t know, but from everything I’ve read, I don’t think Max Kolbe would deny her Agape, or claim some sort of superiority to her because he was a christan.
In fact, I feel pretty sure he would find any kinda of comparison between what he did, and what women like Linda did, and were and are prepared to do, in a ‘‘my Agape is better than your Agape’’ competition, pretty distasteful.
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Look at it this way, Sarah. These heroes dove off the low dive. Kolbe jumped of the high dive. They all jumped into the Agape pool. Any jump off a board is selfless love–and that’s agape. I’ll give you that.Have you read any of the lives of the humanitarian workers who were killed serving their fellow man.
I’ve mentioned some already but as I write I’m reminded of women like Linda Norgrove, who volunteered to work in Afghanistan improving the lives of women and children, in the full and certain knowledge she could be killed serving these people.
She was kidnapped, then killed during an attempted rescue.
She sacrificed her life through empathy for the women and children she worked with.
I don’t know, but from everything I’ve read, I don’t think Max Kolbe would deny her Agape, or claim some sort of superiority to her because he was a christan.
In fact, I feel pretty sure he would find any kinda of comparison between what he did, and what women like Linda did, and were and are prepared to do, in a ‘‘my Agape is better than your Agape’’ competition, pretty distasteful.
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Any atheists who have gone off the high dive?
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atheistgirl
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Women like Linda Norgrove didn’t care about peoples beliefs or unbeliefs. She cared about the healthcare of all but women and children in particular, and was about to inspect a clean water project she had overseen the construction of, when she was kidnapped and killed.
Your so called PAKs exist.
And always have done.
But your attempts to claim some sort of moral superiority for Max Kolbe’s actions are starting now to sound quite demeaning, and almost disrespectful, to both him, and those of no belief who gave their lifes, and were and are prepared to give their lives, for others.
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inocente
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Numbers 31 is a chapter not a verse, I keep getting the impression you don’t have much experience with the bible. Is that the case?
One argument put forward (seriously) is that God forgot about free will for a while and decided the Midianites were so wicked the entire nation should be wiped out, and rather than do it himself ordered the Israelites to do the deed.
CCC 111: Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written.
Anyone who thinks a story where God orders genocide and rape was written in the Spirit would have to explain why to me. It seems a lot more likely that the writer is using the LORD as a tribal god to post-justify genocide, or to rewrite history, or whatever.
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Oh my gosh.Look at it this way, Sarah. These heroes dove off the low dive. Kolbe jumped of the high dive. They all jumped into the Agape pool. Any jump off a board is selfless love–and that’s agape. I’ll give you that.
Any atheists who have gone off the high dive?
Seriously???
You now accept the humanitarians that sacrificed their lives for others do indeed demonstrate selfless love, and agape - you did claim in an earlier post only a Christian could do that - but it’s now become a diving competition, with a let’s see who can dive off the ‘‘high dive’’.
I think you’ve demonstrated the points I was making quite nicely.
I feel somewhat saddened actually.
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