Is cultural marxism just a myth or conspiracy theory created by right wing conservatives?

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SuperLuigi said:
A lot of folks on the left understand and acknowledge cultural Marxism, but they see it as social justice instead.
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But they don’t like being labelled “cultural Marxists”? Are they "SJWs’ instead? or am I confusing things further? 🙂
 
goodcatholic said:
But they don’t like being labelled “cultural Marxists”? Are they "SJWs’ instead? or am I confusing things further? 🙂
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I’m sure they don’t, but it’s really their ideas and behaviours. The “labelling” claim is often their first line of defense, which is interesting because they label people who disagree them as Nazis, bigots, rape apologists and islamophobes.
IWantGod said:
The problem is, cultural Marxism is a derogatory label for any idea that supports the common good like free health care…
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I’ve never heard that. And “free” health care (though it’s not really free by any means) is just a really, really bad idea, but it’s not cultural Marxism.
IWantGod said:
So if they can make it seem like you are are a Marxist just for caring about your brothers and sisters and supporting policies that would mean taxing those with more so that those with less don’t fall into destitute poverty,
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Just remember that the next time someone is called a white supremacist for no good reason.
 
I’m sure they don’t, but it’s really their ideas and behaviours. The “labelling” claim is often their first line of defense, which is interesting because they label people who disagree them as Nazis, bigots, rape apologists and islamophobes.
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If they see it as social justice and don’t like being labelled as Cultural Marxists then they don’t “acknowledge Cultural Marxism”, do they? Believing that everything the right calls Cultural Marxism is good (which I probably do, and then some) is not the same as acknowledging Cultural Marxism. This should be obvious.
 
The SJW’s are just upset that we turned rule 13 of Rules for Radicals against them.
 
starshiptrooper said:
The SJW’s are just upset that we turned rule 13 of Rules for Radicals against them.
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While I am not upset, I do recognize that what is stupid and useless does not change based on the side using it. Faulty logic does cease being faulty because conservatives resort to it.
 
This has nothing to do with faulty logic, merely implementing a tactic successfully used by the left.
 
starshiptrooper said:
This has nothing to do with faulty logic, merely implementing a tactic successfully used by the left.
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Rule 13 is: "“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

That’s pretty much the opposite of logical discussion. In common practice, this tactic amounts to:

–choose a target
–lie about it

This is probably effective as a tactic and very enjoyable for activists, but it’s not a strategy. It limits the number of subjects you can talk about and the depth of discussion if one is limited to just choosing a hate figure and vilifying him or her.

Also, come to think of it, it’s spiritually a very dangerous practice.
 
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This of course presumes that the enemy is interested in a logical discussion. This a tactic used to rally the troops and unite potential allies against a common foe.
 
starshiptrooper said:
This of course presumes that the enemy is interested in a logical discussion. This a tactic used to rally the troops and unite potential allies against a common foe.
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It can also wind up looking really bad to bystanders and actually alienate people who ought to be friendlies.

I often feel this way about the new Right. It’s like–who are you people, where did you come from, and how can I avoid being associated with you?

For context, I’m from an old school conservative family and I was reading through the Gulag Archipelago and Solzehnitsyn’s novels starting at 12 or 13, 30 years ago. I don’t think a lot of the new right-wing activist types understand how off-putting their approach is to people like me. I am not interested in your war and I am not interested in hearing about cultural Marxism from people who know practically nothing about the history of Eastern Europe or communism–thanks!
 
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Not acknowledging things as they are is an old deceptive strategy of extremists.

As you can see, it works.
 
Well the problem is that the war will take an interest in you. The Left will not be satisfied when the last straight white man is silenced or killed. They will just switch targets to the demographic that the mob deems most privileged.

Old-school conservatism accepted the insane notion that being honorable losers was a desirable position. The Populist Right wants to strike back and win.
 
Here’s another problem with the Rule 13 approach (“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it”).

It isn’t any good for situations where the “enemy” is more impersonal or where the enemy is us. For example, who is the guilty party for the national debt or high entitlement spending? Hint: It’s the vast majority of us. Any Rule 13 approach pointing the finger at particular individuals would be a lie. We as a country want to live beyond our means, and there’s no particular individual (and no particular party) that is solely to blame for this.
 
I have a wrench and a hammer in my toolbox. Both are useful in different situations.
 
starshiptrooper said:
I have a wrench and a hammer in my toolbox. Both are useful in different situations.
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Unfortunately, it’s easy to rely on the tool that’s more fun, even when it isn’t right for the job.

I’m sure you’ve seen the left do this before, and people on the right are not immune to the temptation. It’s actually one of the left’s least attractive tactics.

It’s hard for me to understand the logic of a) left-wing people do XYZ terrible things! b) let’s do XYZ, too!
starshiptrooper said:
Well the problem is that the war will take an interest in you. The Left will not be satisfied when the last straight white man is silenced or killed. They will just switch targets to the demographic that the mob deems most privileged.

Old-school conservatism accepted the insane notion that being honorable losers was a desirable position. The Populist Right wants to strike back and win.
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Some thoughts:

–The president of the “populist right” has astonishingly low popularity, which is kind of a funny thing for a populist.


“Based on approval ratings one year into a first term, Trump is the most unpopular president since at least Harry Truman (as far back as we have data).”

“Trump’s approval rating is 22 percentage points lower than the average modern president’s. Meanwhile, his net approval rating (approval rating minus disapproval rating), -15 percentage points, makes him the only president in negative territory one year through his first term. Trump’s closest precedent is Gerald Ford, who had a net approval rating of just +5 points one year in.” Trump’s approval rating was literally half of what JFK, GHWB or GWB had at the same point in their presidencies (they had approval ratings ranging from 78-81%).

The GOP is about to get slaughtered at the polls this fall–this is not what “winning” looks like.
–Say what you will about Democrats and the contemporary left, they don’t have an animated discussion going about taking away my voting rights or depriving girls and women of an education and the ability to support themselves, and they haven’t lately been enthusiastically spooning with Vladimir Putin.
–I’m frankly nauseated by everything new about the new right.
–The “populist right” deserves to lose, and it’s going to lose, and it’s going to set the GOP back a decade, if not two decades.
 
Or maybe consider the quality of our definitions. You mentioned a google search. Would you mind sharing the link to your definition?
 
Cultural Marxism aims to destroy the judeo Christian foundations of western civilization - mainly the family.

The traditional family is the biggest foe of communism. Neo Marxists know this and it’s why they want marriage, family, gender etc redefined and destroyed so that people become reliant and one with the state. The state becomes your family instead.
 
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