Is Darwin's Theory Of Evolution True? Part Two

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For example, the Chad fossil of 6 million years b.p. has so many ape and human characteristics that we have had a hard time classifying it as either
Well, with their minds firmly made up that evolution is a fact, scientists look for “evidence” to support that a priori position. Evolutionists are so desperate to find that elusive “missing link”, they are prone to “see” human characteristics that aren’t really there. You can’t trust these people to tell the truth. If they reject the truth about the Author of life (God), how can they be trusted to tell the truth about the origins of life? They interpret the evidence according to how the want it to be, not according to how it really is.

“Assuming that the Darwinian hypothesis … [paleontologists then] interpret fossil data according to it … The error in their method is obvious.” - Pierre-P. Grasse:
 
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How does this comport with theistic evolution?

Romans 5:12 St Paul is writing about Christ’s image being used to form Adam even though Jesus was born thousands of years later.
Are theistic evolutionists even aware that there is a Bible?
 
The Church has infallibly determined that the universe is of finite age—that it has not existed from all eternity—but it has not infallibly defined whether the world was created only a few thousand years ago or whether it was created several billion years ago.:
I recently stated that I was not aware of anything scientific that Catholics are obliged to believe, but your post demonstrates that there is at least one scientific position that Catholics are obliged to hold - the universe had a beginning. Very interesting.

Thank you for that information.
 
I would imagine that the God who created the entire universe out of nothing would likewise have no trouble creating living organisms out of nothing
 
Glark. You are associating the Catholic Church with the promotion of a demonic hoax. That doesn’t seem to be a particularly wholesome Catholic point of view.
In case, this is not “a particularly wholesome Catholic point of view” either: “From some fissure the smoke of Satan has entered into the Temple of God.” - Pope Paul VI, 1972.

Do you believe in the existence of Satan and other demons? A lot of Catholics don’t …
John Paul 2 merely acknowledges the validity of these concepts and their general acceptance by scientists of many stripes
The trouble is, many Church leaders have very naively decided that the atheist-ridden Pontifical Academy of Science is delivering infallible truth when it says humans evolved from microbes. John Paul II, for example, stated that the conclusion reached of microbe-man evolution was “neither planned nor sought”. This is an amazingly naive statement, considering the fact that the vast majority of evolutionary scientists are atheists who vehemently reject God and creation and believe - regardless of the evidence or how it actually happened - that all life evolved naturally from microbes. This a priori position of evolution-by-any-means is bog-standard atheist doctrine.
Does it occur to you that you might be in error?
I could be in error. But woe to me if I see “diabolical disorientation” at work in the Church - my spiritual Mother, whom I love - and say nothing.
 
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Perhaps you can see the problem. If you won’t accept what just about every qualified scientist in the world can see, and you are not qualified to refute them, then…what?
“Satan deceives the whole world” - Revelation 12:9
 
We can usually tell by the dentition if a fossil is human or ape, and human dentition evolved even long after the probable split, with our overbite being the last significant change.
Does it bother scientists when these “almost human” skulls are accompanied by arm bones that are longer than the leg bones?
 
we share over 98% of a chimp’s DNA
This is a very misleading figure (which is why evolutionists often cite it). Even the village idiot can see that the differences between humans and chimps are much greater than 2%.
 
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to hear. Glark rejects this though - he says there’s an evo conspiracy that stops new findings being published if they threaten the “hold” of the old theories.
Regardless of what inconvenient truths science throws up, most atheists will continue to believe that life evolved naturally from microbes. Short of a global revival of theism, the scientific establishment will continue to protect and push its evolution world-view (aka atheology).
 
…scientists look for “evidence” to support [an] a priori position. You can’t trust these people to tell the truth…
I see. Sounds like you might be taking an a priori position yourself.
 
I’d agree. The evidence appears to be that He used evolutionary processes in the creation of living things. I believe he’s capable of that too 🤷‍♂️
 
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We know that evolutionary processes can increase the amount of non-coding DNA
What we know is that increases in the amount of non-coding DNA happen.

The term “evolutionary processes” has to do with random mutation and natural selection. Random mutations are of the genome and related reproductive processes, and would be the primary cause of diversity between organisms.

Evolutionary processes would be active once life exists. Before that atoms are imagined to come together as molecules, whose particular shapes provide for their structural and/or functional activity. An unprovable hypothesis is that this happened through no law or principle or Cause than that which governs matter, the four fundamental forces of nature and related constants.

The term primordial soup has been bandied about so often that its difficult to see the utter impossibility of it. It is also a convenient “truth” we may choose to accept in order to justify living a secular life. Very intelligent people believe it and stories about alien spores and such. But, this is all neither here nor there with respect to whether any of it is true. What it is not, is a scientific truth - it has not and cannot be proven. What we have then are science fantasies, wrapping up what we know of matter and its workings and creating a picture of the world and its beginnings.

Once life exists, the random changes that would be happening within the cell would be of a chemical nature. The DNA changes its arrangement through some glitch in reproduction, perhaps gains a part of virus DNA, or loses functionality through radiation or the effects of a toxin - all would be happening at a molecular level, by chance. It is counter-intuitive, reflecting on the reality of being here involved in this discussion, but that does not mean it could not be, Here again though, it is not empirically derived. It is merely one rather fantastic way of putting together stuff we know, in order to believe we know something about what we don’t.

Natural selection, the other component to evolutionary processes, on a molecular level boils down to an ongoing sequence of overwhelmingly complex reactions that would span the globe and cover billions of years. But, to understand it requires we go beyond the molecular to include things that are closer to what we experience directly like living organisms themselves and concepts like species in their environment.

In some respects it is the shadow of processes at work in nature, not actively selecting one creature or species over another, but representing the mopping up of things that don’t work. It is also used in the active sense, as some principle that actually selects. This is in keeping with certain understandings of eastern philosophies, pantheism and naturalism. It’s sort of like the the Force in Star Wars. Rather than morality, there’s the karma of nature and hints of reincarnation in the perpetuation and developmental growth of life in time.

In other words,“evolutionary processes” is not scientific fact, but is rather a religious concept that uses science to support its philosophical underpinnings.
 
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In other words,“evolutionary processes” is not scientific fact, but is rather a religious concept that uses science to support its philosophical underpinnings.
I find this sort of argument interesting when coming from the creationist side. Your “not scientific fact, but is rather a religious concept” is basically saying, “Science is more reliable and factual than religion”. In order to criticise the science of evolution, you try to take it down a peg and say, “It is not real science, but merely religion.”

Do you really believe that science is superior to religion? That seems to be a strange position for a creationist.

rossum
 
We can usually tell by the dentition if a fossil is human or ape, and human dentition evolved even long after the probable split, with our overbite being the last significant change.

Secondly, we know for certain that randomness does occur because even your genes indicate a randomness from both sides of your family.

Thirdly, natural selection very much affected our evolution as well as did mutation and genetic drift. Whether it was God-guided cannot be determined but is at the least hypothetically possible. Most Christian theologians do accept the basic ToE as long as it is understood that God was behind it, and this includes Pope Francis.

Finally, may you & yours have a Very Merry Christmas.
Bones do not reflect what type of soul a creature had. We have an eternal, rational and relational soul, through which an entire universe is brought into experiential existence. You cannot demonstrate that any bones having a similar structure to our own were progenitors of humanity. This is an unprovable assumption as much as you may believe it to be common sense.

It is an assumption that one’s genes have been randomly distributed from both sides of one’s family. Observing that there is pretty much a 50-50 chance that a fertilized ovum will develop past 3 months and the existence of genetic disorders, it seems unlikely that God would do this directly, although He could for His purposes. As Christians we know the impact that sin has had on the world. God permits this because it is a consequence of our original sin. We have to find our way back home and must be reminded of the transitoriness of the world and and the illusory nature of its fulfillments to stay on track.

It is more than a matter of God’s simply having created the world. We believe that we are descendants of one original man who existed as himself and represents all humanity. Through him we sinned and we fell. Through Christ we are saved. There was no polygenism. We were created as a new form of being possessing a spirit given by God, in His image. How He did this is revealed Genesis and understood by the the grace of the Holy Spirit, individually and as a community of the faithful. Pope Francis is trying to evangelize and speak to people who have very different views than those held by the Catholic Church; in doing so I find he is frequently misquoted and definitely misunderstood.
 
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I find this sort of argument interesting when coming from the creationist side. Your “not scientific fact, but is rather a religious concept” is basically saying, “Science is more reliable and factual than religion”. In order to criticise the science of evolution, you try to take it down a peg and say, “It is not real science, but merely religion.”

Do you really believe that science is superior to religion? That seems to be a strange position for a creationist.

rossum
No, you are imposing your value system on what I said. That evolution is not scientific does not make it less in that it is a religion, it makes it a lie. As a religion is a poorly thought out primitive form, more fanciful and lacking in the subtitles that exist in the major faiths, and substituting the Divine with nothingness and chaos.
 
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I’d agree. The evidence appears to be that He used evolutionary processes in the creation of living things. I believe he’s capable of that too 🤷‍♂️
You are free to believe what you will. The evidence does not appear to demonstrate that He used evolutionary processes to create living things. It is a very simplistic understanding into which we can cram the evidence, for sure. That doesn’t make it so.
 
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we share over 98% of a chimp’s DNA
This is a very misleading figure (which is why evolutionists often cite it). Even the village idiot can see that the differences between humans and chimps is much greater than 2%.
As anyone could see the similarities between the physical form of a person and that of an ape from our very beginnings, reflecting our capacity to name animals, think and understand. Science is telling us nothing new here.
 
Read a report on the Royal Society Meeting

“The Modern Synthesis, while undoubtedly productive for a time, is a misconception of reality that has reached the limits of its explanatory power. The problems are fundamental. No amount of cosmetic surgery is going correct them.”

“To the contrary, Darwinian competition causes not the evolution of species but the destruction of species.
It is collaboration in its various forms that causes biological evolution. Hence I’m surprised by calls for extending the neo-Darwinian Evolutionary Synthesis. You can’t extend something that is broken. Surely what is needed now, after 65 years, is using the empirical evidence to develop a new paradigm for biological evolution.”

"If you want the definition of the Modern Synthesis, take a look at how Neil deGrasse Tyson explains evolution in the 2014 remake of Carl Sagan’s Cosmos series. Tyson, an astrophysicist, is unaware that he is misinformed, as are most in science, academia, government, literature, the arts, and the public by this outmoded theory of evolution."

“Shuker tried to interrupt but Noble held his ground:
‘No, YOU need to listen. I used to think exactly like you. I embraced the reductionist mindset for years. When I got out of school I was a card-carrying reductionist. Reductionism is powerful and it’s useful. I am not dissing it. Many times we need it. But it is not the whole story.’ Noble described how bacterial regulatory
networks rebuilt those genes in four days by hyper-mutating, actively searching for a solution that would give them tails and enable them to Nind food. Natural selection did not achieve that. Natural genetic engineering did.’”

“It’s appropriate that this meeting is being held at the Royal Society, whose motto, we were reminded yesterday, is “Nullius in verba”: Accept nothing on authority."

"Not one whit of empirical evidence shows that new species arise from the neo-Darwinian mechanism. To the contrary, Darwinian competition causes not the evolution of species but the destruction of species."

 
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I would imagine that the God who created the entire universe out of nothing would likewise have no trouble creating living organisms out of nothing
He could have. That does not mean He did. He could also have created the world 3 days ago, complete with people and implanted memories, and the entire archive of CAF posts. But did He?
 
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