So the evolution of life does not extend more then the few years of life of a living being?
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Aloysium
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I’m not sure what you mean.Aloysium:
Natural History is actually a very wide topic. Evolution is a part. There’s no need to see them as all about “us”.
I think pretty much everyone cares about their origins.
“Where do babies come from?” is the default question arising as the child matures into self-awareness. “I thought so.” is the common response by the child to the typical parental answer that references Mommy and Daddy’s love for each other. The kid is usually satisfied because as simplistic and evasive as our teaching may be, in trying to avoid the abyss of the human existential condition, it has the ring of truth - We are a product of love, designed not to be useful, not to overpower and get for ourselves, but to love.
But evolutionary theory seeks to explain things far less meaningful, more trivial. It also arms the defence mechanism of intellectualization against the raw realities of existence.
Again, I’m not sure what you are getting at. The reality of our existence as finite beings means that we are surrounded by nonbeing. Death is everywhere, manifesting itself as the termination of our transient existence on earth, the shame and guilt that is at least a potential in every act, and the meaninglessness that ensues as a result. All the fame in the world will not provide an extra second to enjoy it. Every pleasure comes to an end, with pain and suffering not far behind. There is never enough wealth, where it is the aim; and, what is accumulated will be spent by another. All the earthly power rests on death, control through “offers” that cannot be refused. Ultimately there is no “them”, just one “us” with transcendence symbolized by the Cross, offered by God to His children.
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rossum
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No, physics. Google “spectroscopy”. You would be well advised to learn more about science before rushing into print.
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rossum
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Pass. Earth is an open system, as is the Solar system. When the sun ceases to shine then entropy will ensure that all life on earth dies. Until then, there is enough energy throughput to ensure that life can continue. I suspect that entropy changes in the sun completely overwhelm the small entropy change caused by life on the surface of the earth.
Given energy then your refrigerator works. It is the energy (name removed by moderator)ut that allows it to work against entropy. Unplug it and entropy takes over.
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Rau
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The origins of man is sensitive. Man is in a unique relationship with God.
Evolution addresses all life - birds and dinosaurs for example - but it is routinely presented here as a theory about man. While it is natural for science to make that connection, it has no particular focus on man.
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rossum
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No. God being omnipotent could give an ant an immortal soul should He so wish. Ants evolved.
What evolved is material; souls are not material and do not evolve. They do not reproduce so cannot evolve; each soul is individually and directly created by God.
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Aloysium
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I don’t know. Birds are very interesting, and dinosaurs may have been a 2.0 version to the birds’ 3.0.Aloysium:
Is that the case if speaking of birds and dinosaurs?
The dinosaurs that existed in the past are no more. The category “dinosaur” represents individual organisms with similar characteristics that existed as part of their environment. They were conceived as eggs, developed, hatched, grew and did what dinosaurs do, and died, leaving behind remnants of what is no more. A bird today can be described in a similar manner.
It is paradoxical that in either case, of what originally constituted the life form at its beginnings as a single egg, probably nothing is left. The creature’s physical form, constructed of atoms and molecules has been given to it from what was other to it and incorporated into itself. An evolutionary theory founded on the laws of chemistry simplistically imagines what is essentially an infinitely complex flux of inter-related electrochemical events. There is no organism and no species. They are illusions from the perspective that sees reality as simply these basic atomic and molecular forms of being.
But, they are the building blocks, which brought together express the complexity of the unified being, which is the creature itself. If organisms and species are to be considered illusions, a bigger problem arises - to explain illusion.
There are different possibilities. A naturalist approach sees all life as one, giving itself over to itself, in its various individual forms, thereby bringing about all the diversity. Two creatures may mate and the offspring arise with different instinctual and/or physical characteristics, reflecting what nature does (as an expression of God’s infinite creativity). The true substance, the reality that is moulded into different forms, different individual organisms would remain the same.
There is a difference between plants and animals. I believe that this resulted from a new creation, utilizing the information inherent in botanical life, to bring about a new type of existence which not only grows and reproduces, but perceives, feels and acts, through the instincts, which are actually more true to its nature than the physical form.
We are very different, as eternal beings possessing a free will and designed to love.
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Rau
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I take this to indicate an open mind to the theory of evolution. If your objection is primarily to its extension to cover man, you should say so.
You cannot be a human being without the soul.
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buffalo
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Ha. I figured you would pass. 
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The universe cannot explain itself.
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tifischer
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Why are we not this passionate about helping others in need…
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Aloysium
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Let’s get to basics. There is a difference between how matter falls apart into its components and how it works while it is functional. The claim in the above post is that random genetic mutations causes growth. Mutations are a breakdown in structure. That is why we put on sun screen. The electromagnetic waves in the ultraviolet end of the spectrum cause damage, aka possible mutation of the genome. This isn’t rocket science but basic physics. Concocting a theological conspiracy theory is not going to explain away what is obvious to anyone aging person.
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Aloysium
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Who says we are not? It is all about the same thing - the dignity of the person, each of us loved by God. To say we are random events with no purpose is a justifixation for not doing His will to love Him and one another.
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Aloysium
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It’s far more complicated than that, especially since creation is from eternity. Anyway, what I do know is that evolutionary theory, which most of my life I naturally assumed to be fact, is actually wrong when you start teasing apart all the assumptions and compare it with empirical data. It sounds corny to verbalise, but I’m into finding the truth as far as I can get because it reveals the glory of God. You have your opinions which I’ve all heard before. Sorry. But keep it up, it makes me think.
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tifischer
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People ask for help on this forum too…yet this is the longest thread by far. Clearly there is a discrepancy in passion is my humble observation. Should we not evolve in our passion for a greater need in our community?
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Aloysium
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I’ve looked at some of those threads in the past. I’m not sure if my advice helped. In a lot of cases the problems are deep and chronic.
Help is best face to face imho, whether it’s just being there listening, a hug, physical lifting or financial.
There’s definitely a negativity that permeates these sorts of discussions. Evolution was a banned topic for years on the old site because people can stop being civil to one another.
Given the tensions that arise, the risk of posting your comment is that it will be understood as moral one-upmanship, a put down, hardly helping the situation.
This is my idea of help in the internet. You’ll probably agree that I’m on the appropriate thread.
Help is best face to face imho, whether it’s just being there listening, a hug, physical lifting or financial.
There’s definitely a negativity that permeates these sorts of discussions. Evolution was a banned topic for years on the old site because people can stop being civil to one another.
Given the tensions that arise, the risk of posting your comment is that it will be understood as moral one-upmanship, a put down, hardly helping the situation.
This is my idea of help in the internet. You’ll probably agree that I’m on the appropriate thread.
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tifischer
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Jesus never gave an excuse not to help another in need. He never said “gosh, that would be too hard, too personal or too much money.”. He loved them.
Maybe it was meant to be encouraging, i guess how a person may interpret my comment depends on if the person has an open mind set.
Maybe it was meant to be encouraging, i guess how a person may interpret my comment depends on if the person has an open mind set.
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Aloysium
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I couldn’t agree with you more. Seriously.
On second thought it’s all about an open heart rather than open mind.
On second thought it’s all about an open heart rather than open mind.
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