Is Darwin's Theory Of Evolution True? Part Two

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We are taught that death of the body occurs when the soul is separated from it.
And we are taught that the soul is what gives the body life.

So I would be inclined to think that an integral part of being a human being is something that cannot evolve.

At the very least, we no longer fit in evolutionarily theory.
 
Is it true that ants evolved from elephants?
Your lack of knowledge of biology is showing. Elephants are deuterostomes, ants are protostomes. No, ants did not evolve from elephants. You are destroying your credibility by asking such an obviously ignorance-based question. Ignorance can be cured by learning.

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Well.
We are taught that death of the body occurs when the soul is separated from it.
And we are taught that the soul is what gives the body life.
The “life” referred to in this teaching is a wider sense of the word than the strictly biological. Evolution refers only to the biological.
 
And we are taught that the soul is what gives the body life.

So I would be inclined to think that an integral part of being a human being is something that cannot evolve.

At the very least, we no longer fit in evolutionarily theory.
I agree.

The spirit and body are one. It’s not so much that the spirit inhabits a body as it is that the spirit is a higher level of organization than that which defines matter. The body is therefore alive, perceiving, feeling, thinking and acting. Another way to think about it is that matter is not just clumps of stuff, but information. Matter can be thought of as informing the spirit’s relational nature; it is the means by which the knower knows the known in time and space. When we die, the body falls apart doing what matter does at a chemical level. That is an important piece of evidence against the standard theory of evolution, by the way,

There is more going on in the creation of new life than molecules interacting, no matter how complex the process. In sexual reproduction, two germ cells coalesce. Each of the pair, a whole in itself, is incomplete, until fulfilled in their union, which results in the creation of a new organism - the soul of the creature one with the physical being that we can observe through the senses. Its soul is “seen” through reason. From the egg it develops, is born and grows. If it is irksome to speak of souls, one might call it instinct, an organizing principle whose physical manifestation would be DNA for example, shaping and directing the organism to do what it does.

It all works from the top down. Molecules do what they do, being what they are. In order to form a living being, that being must incorporate what is otherwise simply star dust. So, if an ape has been conceived, it cannot receive a human spirit, because it is an ape that is taking shape. The creation of a human being is required in order for it to take human form.

Life is more than matter doing its thing. Whatever the organism, while it may have a particular form the differs from its progenitors and offspring, depending on their environment and built-in genetic and developmental capacities for change, they appear to be expressions of their particular species. What we classify as species appears not to relate to an underlying reality. What I mean by this is that we are human beings, one in Adam and one in Christ. We share the same existential nature, although it is expressed in different ways as a result of the gifts(which include challenges) that have been bestowed upon us individually. Whether felines are the same thing as canines and only superficially different, I don’t know, but think not.

A very long-winded way to the conclusion that mankind was created as a new form of being, in the image of God. However He constructed the template, it fits the pattern described in Genesis. The particulars, I would think should be of interest for science, which unfortunately as a social institution is subject to the same dark influences that reveal themselves in history and the daily news.
 
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Glark:
Is it true that ants evolved from elephants?
Your lack of knowledge of biology is showing. Elephants are deuterostomes, ants are protostomes. No, ants did not evolve from elephants. You are destroying your credibility by asking such an obviously ignorance-based question. Ignorance can be cured by learning.

rossum
It was a sarcastic joke.

You missed the point he was making that your take on God’s omnipotence is absurd.

But there’s another point to his comment that you are confirming in your reply. It has to do with evolution having a direction towards greater complexity. There is no explanation for this in the laws revealed by the physical sciences. It didn’t happen that ants evolved from elephants, but why could we not evolve into bacteria? Natural selection might very well allow random simplification of the genome to progress; just take what is assumed to be the evolutionary process and put it into reverse.
 
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The “life” referred to in this teaching is a wider sense of the word than the strictly biological. Evolution refers only to the biological.
Wider sense does not mean exclusive from.
The soul gives life to the body.
We are a single entity, body and soul.
Physical and spiritual.

Evolution cannot explain us.
 
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The “life” referred to in this teaching is a wider sense of the word than the strictly biological. Evolution refers only to the biological.
Wider sense does not mean exclusive from.
It does mean that things you say about this wider sense of the word “life” may not apply to the sense in which the term “biological” life is used.
 
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It is deceiving yes, but technically the Church does not say you cannot believe it…science and theology are separate things. The fact that Darwin said in his book Origin of the Species that evolution could not explain all of creation is enough (he even goes as far as calling it “absurd” to think)…if an evolutionist does not know that then they are …what is the term for someone who only reads the headlines and then makes a fault conclusion?
 
Marxism explicitly taught that young minds were the primary target, with care to be taken regarding older people who were regarded as a danger, a problem. What is being proposed here is an ideology, not science.
 
People ask for help on this forum too…yet this is the longest thread by far. Clearly there is a discrepancy in passion is my humble observation. Should we not evolve in our passion for a greater need in our community?
I go to other forums also and help if I can.
 
Except Catholic education is based on reason. logic and evidence. Cannot say the same thing for faith in blind unguided chance.
 
Except Catholic education is based on reason. logic and evidence. Cannot say the same thing for faith in blind unguided chance.
My Catholic education taught the Faith. It also taught evolution. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Yes, so did mine. Should have been more cautious about macro-evolution though. I would also submit, many lost their faith in Revelation and that the areas where faith and reason intersect Revelation should have been given more respect. We can now recover this lost respect for Revelation with the latest scientific findings.
 
I would also submit, many lost their faith in Revelation and that the areas where faith and reason intersect Revelation should have been given more respect.
Would that be a reference to a literalist interpretation of Genesis? Not something which the Church advocates.
We can now recover this lost respect for Revelation with the latest scientific findings.
I look forward to it.
 
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The senses of Scripture

115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.

116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."83

117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God’s plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
  1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ’s victory and also of Christian Baptism.84
  2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written “for our instruction”.85
  3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, “leading”). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.86
 
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