Is downloading music always sinful?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_copyright_law
List of some possible copyright-infringing actions in Australia
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* Home recording of broadcast radio/television content where the material is kept after being 'watched at a more convenient time'.
No I do need Dreamweaver im in Year 10 and in Multimedia and IST Computing subjects we do make alot of web designing.
 
dazzi said:
No I do need Dreamweaver im in Year 10 and in Multimedia and IST Computing subjects we do make alot of web designing.
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Would it be possible for you to stay after school and use the school computers?
 
"In 1992, Congress passed the Audio Home Recording Act34 (“AHRA”), an amendment to the federal copyright law. Under the AHRA, all digital recording devices must incorporate a Serial Copy Management System (“SCMS”).35 This system allows digital recorders to make a first-generation copy of a digitally recorded work, but does not allow a second-generation copy to be made from the first copy (users may still make as many first-generation copies as they want). The AHRA also provides for a royalty tax36 of up to $8 per new digital recording machine and 3 percent of the price of all digital audiotapes or discs.37 This tax is paid by the manufacturers of digital media devices and distributed to the copyright owners whose music is presumably being copied.38 In consideration of this tax, copyright owners agree to forever waive the right to claim copyright infringement against consumers using audio recording devices in their homes.

so if I read this right, basically Congress allows audio recording devices as long as it’s not for commercial purposes…:confused:
 
dazzi,

The quote you mentioned was from a list of possible copyright infringing actions on a Wiki site, they are not clear violations. Furthermore, if you read on you’ll learn that the Commonwealth Parliament passed the Copyright Amendment Act of 2006
“to allow people to record most television or radio program at home to watch at a later time with family or friends”

That’s all that we’re allowed to do in the US, so what’s strange about that? Also, legality does not necessitate morality, just look at abortion. Music, movies, and software are intellectual property, and it can be stolen, just like physical property. Filesharing programs make this theft possible and amplify the severity by allowing thousands of people to use the same copy without paying for it(this is stealing). Stealing is clearly a sin, and sin separates us from God.

Now let me ask you, does your school require each student to have a personal copy of Dreamweaver on their home PC in order to do their work? If so, they should be able to give you a student license at a much reduced price(if not free). I find it hard that a school would require students purchase a $400 program for a year 10 class.
 
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JesusSaves17:
so if I read this right, basically Congress allows audio recording devices as long as it’s not for commercial purposes…:confused:
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Not necessarily, because this legislation is already outdated, and according to the Wiki article on this Act -

"Section 1008 explicitly allows private, noncommercial home copying with ‘analog’ devices and media. The primary difficulty lies in the definition of “digital audio recording device.”

I’m assuming you posted this in response to dazzi’s comment, since it talks about analog devices like the VHS tapes he mentioned. The act defines “home recording” as the recording of broadcasts available on public airwaves. To be clear, though, this wouldn’t cover the download of mp3’s ripped by others.

Oh, and sorry if my above post to you seemed accusatory, I forgot that you don’t download stuff illegally. 👍
 
to allow people to record most television or radio program at home to watch at a later time with family or friends"
Thats exactly what the link i give you says yes you are allowed to do it but you are only meant to watch it once at a later time.
I will not do what i know is wrong this is exaclty like sharing a copy of office you pay about 10au for the software itsself while you pay the massive rest of the fee for the serial,
I dont see how it is stealing the artist or producer hardly cares most of the time its more the stupid licsecning company or the protection companies which want the all in all id love to send the Copyright protection money sucking companies out of buissness which dont even licsence they just stand and watch and say “Oh downloading is illegal”.
If one person decides they have the time to upload it and share it with the public and give you the right how is it stealing i mean that person must have had a copy if he hadnt why should he download it then upload it again which wouldnt work.
I have given countless burnt games to my cousin and friends free of charge because inside i fell i shouldnt be profitinig of someone;s work but what is wrong with sharing it?
Whatveer the law says but i know your only allowed to watch Recorded stuff only once afterwards but if it werent what is the difference most the movies recorded from cinemas have poorer quality the VHS recording and people still are fine with it its just as long as its watchable so i think its the same with other things.
I know it legal to watch once after time shifting with anyone friends family etc but if it was fully legal and the P2P wasnt that would be very unfair.
I dont know what to belive. The people who made these laws are just like the people who blocked every online fun site like www.gamespot.com and www.ign.com and the online game sites for no reason.
Ok Tell me i have a choice of dreamweaver and Frontpage to get both are expensive and yes i did need it why in the world would i try to make a site for no reason its just a time waste
Cheers to Canada for defeating these laws.
 
JesusSaves17 said:
I don’t download things illegally, not since I found it was immoral many years back. Just yesterday I deleted every song I could remember downloading illegally, as much as it pained me. I know we are supposed to avoid sin at all costs, but I was asking that question more for others. My cousing downloads all kinds of music illegally and I’ve tried to tell him it’s stealing but he just laughs…
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Theft is Theft.

I also did the same quite some time back… deleted every single downloaded file I had… mostly audio books… I have only kept files that have been offerered freely to download off the original sites… example EWTN’s files.

I’ve had the same response from my brother over MP3’s and movies… he just laughed it off also… everybody does it…sound familiar?

When I was doing bible college and had to hand in assignments I was using “WordPad” as I didn’t have a legit copy of “Word” and couldn’t afford the $400 to buy it.

I had many offers from people of a burnt copy. They saw nothing wrong with this either…

As someone else posted earlier… you can’t try and bargain with God over the commandments… if you know its wrong its wrong!

Lead by example, at least it will get them thinking 😉
 
dazzi said:
I have given countless burnt games to my cousin and friends free of charge because inside i fell i shouldnt be profitinig of someone;s work but what is wrong with sharing it?
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Right, you shouldn’t be profiting off someone else’s work, but at the same time, those people would like to profit off their own work. How would you feel if you go to all the trouble to make something that you would like to sell to earn a living and then a bunch of people just steal it and give it to their friends? They aren’t selling it to their friends, just giving it away. Do you think you would still be able to earn a living making that thing? You also have to right to use someone’s work to cause them to loose profit!
Ok Tell me i have a choice of dreamweaver and Frontpage to get both are expensive and yes i did need it why in the world would i try to make a site for no reason its just a time waste
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[link=[URL]http://www.nvu.com/index.php]Here[/link[/URL]] is an open source webdesign program that claims to rival Frontpage and Dreamweaver. I don’t know anything about it since it isn’t something I need, but every other open source program I’ve used has been good, so I would guess this one should work pretty well too.

There are other options out there for most things! You just have to be willing to look for them and be willing to use things that aren’t one of the big name brands (Microsoft, Photoshop, etc.). And I have like all of the alternative programs I’ve used, they have been just as good as the name brand ones and even better since I don’t have to pay for them (legally!).
 
I wonder if anyone has compiled a list of links for alternative sources of programs and links to companies that offer music at much more attractive prices and licensing terms than the big record companies.

It would be a moral option to “sharing”, allow people to get good products at fair prices and support businesses that do not fleece their customers.
 
Alphonsus_John said:
I wonder if anyone has compiled a list of links for alternative sources of programs and links to companies that offer music at much more attractive prices and licensing terms than the big record companies.

It would be a moral option to “sharing”, allow people to get good products at fair prices and support businesses that do not fleece their customers.
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This seems to be a pretty good list of various open source options. You can search for the program you are trying to replace and they will give you some options. And maybe the easiest way to to simply use google and type in “open source ____”. Fill in the blank with whatever application you are trying to replace. That is how I found the web design program listed up there.

As for music, there are many places selling music for pretty cheap, usually around $.99, iTunes, Wal-mart, Rhapsody, Yahoo, MSN, and emusic are all places to get music. Which one you choose will often depend on what you want to play your music on and what kind of music you want and personal preference.
 
As I’m sitting advocating all this open source stuff, I thought I might explain the principle behind it since many of you may not know.

There is quite a bit of software out there that is free, but it falls into two categories. They are often described as “free as in beer” and “free as in speech.”

The “free as in beer” programs are provided to you at no cost, but there are limitations on what you can do with the program. It is provided “as is” and you are not allowed to make any changes to the program. Examples are things like iTunes, AVG antivirus, and Internet Explorer. You don’t pay to download these programs, but you have to use them just as they are.

The “free as in speech” programs are also known as Open Source. That means that the source code for the program is available to anyone who wants it and anyone who would like can make changes to it. The only restriction is that if you make changes, you have to allow anyone else the same rights to your new source code. Usually open source programs are available for free, but sometimes people will sell them either for the cost of making a CD with the program on it or they will provide additional support with the program. But even if they sell it, the license does not change, they still have to provide the source code to anyone who wants it.

Open source stuff is great because it cuts out all the huge markups on products like MS Office. It also allows for faster fixes of bugs and other problems. And anyone who has the ability and the desire can work on it and change things to make it better.

Wikipedia has a good article here. I also noticed they have a nice list of open source software here.
 
Downloading music for free is NOT sinful. The government of the United States is not a legitimate Catholic government and therefore may be disobeyed if it is advantageous to do so. Also, the record companies are all heathen companies. Take advantage of them as you please, they have no rights. The music is more yours than theirs.
 
Crusader1095 said:
Downloading music for free is NOT sinful. The government of the United States is not a legitimate Catholic government and therefore may be disobeyed if it is advantageous to do so. Also, the record companies are all heathen companies. Take advantage of them as you please, they have no rights. The music is more yours than theirs.
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Render unto Caesar what is Caesar and God what is God’s. The Scriptures are more than clear that we are to obey the government put into place over us…and the Scriptures were written when that government was a pagan Roman government, not a free government as in the USA. You sir are not a Catholic but, instead, an anarchist.
 
None of these companies will go broke because of that some started winging 40 years ago and they are still strong on the market i think its the stupid whats it called RCAA or something the copyright protection company i seriously hope they go broke no one but they keep sucking about this there like people who when a game gets released start having a fuss oh this game has violence oh its unsuitable for kids well then keep quiet and move on its there choice if they play it i know i dotn listen to it i played GTA 2 when I was about 9 or 10 and its a 15+ year i think i was breaking the law here too.
I dont think downloading is wrong its sharing of something some one wasted their time to put up to the public.
To me downloading is not stealing but its what you do with it that it like selling it.
 
Is downloading music always sinful?

No not if you are paying for it…👍
 
so, off topic here, but when people flee Cuba for America, is that a sin? If I go to North Dakota, as an 18 year old, and at the very tip, take a sip of beer. And I sin? Then I take one step over to the Canadian border, take one sip of beer and I’m fine? We’re supposed to obey government, I agree with that. But are we really sinning if we disobey some rule that is established by the same institution that says Abortion is ok?
 
JesusSaves17 said:
so, off topic here, but when people flee Cuba for America, is that a sin? If I go to North Dakota, as an 18 year old, and at the very tip, take a sip of beer. And I sin? Then I take one step over to the Canadian border, take one sip of beer and I’m fine? We’re supposed to obey government, I agree with that. But are we really sinning if we disobey some rule that is established by the same institution that says Abortion is ok?
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The fact that abortion is legal in this country does not relieve you of your obligation as a Christian to obey the laws of the land. The only exceptions are when those laws violate God’s laws.
 
well if our government does one thing Catholics don’t agree with, why couldn’t they have other rules Catholics don’t agree with. I’m not implying stealing is ok or anything like that, just trying to see it from both sides. Both sides have strong arguments, it’s tough to prove that downloading music, or even sharing legally bought music with friends, is “stealing.”
 
God knew this would be a big debate in society, why couldn’t he make a commandment, “Thou Shalt Not Download Music without Paying a Fee” 😉
 
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