Is Fatima Center (fatima.org) in communion with Rome?

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He’s apparently making his own website called Soldiers of the Immaculate, so all his stuff will still be back online, just not affiliated with Fatima Center.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
He’s apparently making his own website called Soldiers of the Immaculate, so all his stuff will still be back online, just not affiliated with Fatima Center.
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I don’t know what the home diocese is for The “Soldiers of the Immaculate” but if it’s recognized by the local ordinary, then it would be “in Communion with the Church”. The Fatima Center is in the Diocese of St Catharines, and is not.

I recognize one of the contributors for the Fatima Center to be a pastor in a diocese. That fact does not make the website “in communion with the Church” nor make it a Catholic ministry.
 
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He’s a popular speaker for SSPX and other traditional groups, and preaches a lot of missions, but I’m not aware of him being SSPX himself. In the past he was affiliated with FSSP and in 2018 he was granted faculties in the Archdiocese of Denver. I thought he was just a very traditional priest along the lines of Fr Ripperger and having some strong ideas, such as being very opposed to Disney and Harry Potter, and at times bordering on Feeneyism.
 
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Alexandria2020 said:
I really enjoyed his book The Crucified Rabbi, read a few years ago. didn’t realize he was gonna go the SSPX route tho.
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All three books in that series are very good. I still listen to Dr. Marshall and there is nothing extreme or bizarre in his views, at least not that I’m aware of. He’s never given the impression that he is planning on becoming a full time attendee of the SSPX.

He’s simply not writing them of the way others have done. With regards to his views on the SSPX, I believe they align with those of Bp Athanasius Schneider, which are in perfect accord with those of the Church.

Kennedy Hall has written several articles for various sites and publications and his book, Terror of Demons, is a must read, especially for Catholic men.
 
He was presumably granted them temporarily to preach there. I would assume when he changed dioceses he didn’t need them any more. The point is if he were SSPX to begin with, the bishop wouldn’t have granted him faculties.
 
a CAF search got me this answer from a Jan 2009 post

"I’ve listend to this at least two times now - it’s always good to get a jolt when you’re getting lukewarm.

I personally heard one of Fr. Isaac’s missions while he was still Novus Ordo about eight years ago. Word on the street is that he left the Franciscans he was with because he wanted to celebrate the TLM only. The Bishop of Kansas City incardinated him into his jurisdiction and I believe he’s been helping out with the FSSP ever since.

He caused such a ruckus in my old NO parish (albeit a well needed ruckus)- the reaction was similar to if you were to start a thread here on catholic.com on why women shouldn’t wear pants if you catch my drift."
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This is a very good Mission. I’m listening to the prelude right now.
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The fact that he supports TLM does not make him SSPX. As I said, he was affiliated with FSSP at one time.

He also is still reportedly Franciscan, but left his original Franciscan order and is now affiliated with a different Franciscan order. I do not know the status of the current order but there are 1001 Franciscan orders and groups.

It’s best to not make assumptions about a priest’s affiliation unless there is a definite statement. I have found nothing anywhere saying he is SSPX or that he is not in communion with Rome.
 
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Do you have some facts to present to support your view that Fr Gruner’s suspension was contrary to canon law?

Catholic Culture has this piece dealing quite well with the alleged “canon law” issue.

Library : Canon Law and Fr. Gruner's Suspension (a divinis)

Canon Law and Fr. Gruner's Suspension (<i>a divinis</>) Pete Vere, JCL answers canon law questions about the suspension of Fr. Nicholas Gruner's priestly faculties.
www.catholicculture.org www.catholicculture.org
 
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Actually, it is not questionable. A priest has to be incardinated in a diocese and/or belong to an order. Fr Gruener was incardinated in the diocese of Avellino in Italy and was elsewhere in the world; he was ordered to return and ignored the matter. He was subsequently warned that if he did not, he would bs suspended a divinis; he was subsequently declared a vagus - a wandering priest; and then in 1996 he was suspended from his priestly functions; he appealed and the appeal was denied.

The issue has been discussed by Canon lawyers, and the answer is, you are wrong.
 
No, the topic doses not state that, but the OP refers to an article put out by the Fatima Center stating that “The SSPX is in communion with Rome”.

Rome is the arbiter of communion, not Kennedy Hall, or Taylor Marshall, or the Fatima Center.

The last official pronouncement appears to be by Pope Benedict XVI which states they are in irregular status.

Irregular status is not “in communion”.

Cardinal Mueller toward the end of his stint with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith made a public statement, which has not been reversed nor rebuked, that the SSPX were de facto in schism (as opposed to de jure in schism), and that pretty much sums it up.

You are welcome to your opinion on the matter, but when it comes to the head of the dicastery, I am going to pay attention to him.
 
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I always wonder if they genuinely change direction as they go, or if their early neutral writings are just meant to build a base before they whip out the big guns of whatever controversy was always on their mind.
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I can’t answer for the gentlemen in question, but my own journey into faith has definitely taken me further into Tradition and traditionalism.
To me it was really never a question of becoming more radical but more a question of me finding the Catholic Church I had been looking for. I never knew before converting that Mass would be in the vernacular or that the Church struggled so much with the moral positions I admired Her for. When I found the traditional movement it was like coming home all over again.
Sure I’ve changed some opinions along the way but in my humble estimation I’ve only gotten holier for it.
 
SSPX is a hot button topic on here because there are SSPX supporters on the forum who insist SSPX Is in communion with Rome and will flag as objectionable any post stating that they are a schismatic group. Therefore, the many forum members who strongly believe SSPX is schismatic must post at their own risk of being flagged, suspended, etc.

On the old pre-Discourse forum, SSPX was a forbidden topic and in my opinion the forum should have kept it that way.

All I know is I personally wouldn’t go near an SSPX church or SSPX priest for anything. There is no need when we have plenty of FSSP and ICKSP traditionalist priests that are fully in communion with Rome, no question about it, no problem, no arguments.
 
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All I know is I personally wouldn’t go near an SSPX church or SSPX priest for anything. There is no need when we have plenty of FSSP and ICKSP traditionalist priests that are fully in communion with Rome, no question about it, no problem, no arguments.
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I get your point. Have to agree with you here.
 
There are a lot of negative things about Disney, just like there are many negative things about all large corporations. However, it’s one thing to say, “I do not want to support a company that is greedy/ unjust/ pushes values I don’t agree with” and another thing to say that kids get infested with demons from having a Disney toy or t-shirt.
 
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