Is God allowing Satan to do evil the same as God committing the evil Himself?

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ericc said:
Don’t stop there. I am waiting for your enlightenment.

For centuries, no medical doctors were EVER mentioned in the same breadth as Immaculate Conception. You are the first that I know. I want to know what you know. Please. I am prepared to be chatised for my ignorance.
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Doctors are not the point, they were simply part of the analogy. Doctors are logical people, wouldn’t you say? They care about the facts, the clear things. So, trying to explain something such as the immaculate conception to them on a philosophical level would be quite impossible, because the immaculate conception can’t be broken down into logical points about how a baby was born. You have to add in the fact that her soul was kept pure by god. The doctor would ask, “what do you mean? That doesn’t make any sense and has nothing to do with the act of being born”

It only makes sense in a religious context, as the majority of this discussion does. The person I responded to with my comment was arguing that my lack of logic in a religious discussion was damning, when the majority of religious discussion has absolutely nothing to do with religion (examples include the immaculate conception, the doctrine of incarnation, Jesus Christ rising from the dead, etc.)

Frankly, it made me laugh out loud when you were getting stuck on the term “family doctor” when that had nearly nothing to do with the point.
 
Hope_Philomena said:
Doctors are not the point, they were simply part of the analogy. Doctors are logical people, wouldn’t you say? They care about the facts, the clear things. So, trying to explain something such as the immaculate conception to them on a philosophical level would be quite impossible, because the immaculate conception can’t be broken down into logical points about how a baby was born. You have to add in the fact that her soul was kept pure by god. The doctor would ask, “what do you mean? That doesn’t make any sense and has nothing to do with the act of being born”

It only makes sense in a religious context, as the majority of this discussion does. The person I responded to with my comment was arguing that my lack of logic in a religious discussion was damning, when the majority of religious discussion has absolutely nothing to do with religion (examples include the immaculate conception, the doctrine of incarnation, Jesus Christ rising from the dead, etc.)

Frankly, it made me laugh out loud when you were getting stuck on the term “family doctor” when that had nearly nothing to do with the point.
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Frankly I don’t understand why would anyone bring the topic of immaculate conception to a family doctor and talk about logic if the doctor is not Catholic. Even if he is, the doctor is not the one to talk to about immaculate conception, a theologian would be more apt. If the topic is logic, immaculate conception is not the right subject and the appropriate person would be a logician.

But lets put that behind and go forward.👍
 
Is Satan doing the evil, or is he convincing us to do evil. Remember, we are the ones with free will. Satan just tells us the lies that make us sin.
 
From what i have read from your post, it seems your mind is already made up about the nature of the world.

You seem to think the world is entirely physical and cannot possibly be the result of something that transcends physical reality. This is the foundation you start from and it is evident in your assumptions. So, any truth that you do find is going to be inherently circular.
 
IWantGod said:
From what i have read from your post, it seems your mind is already made up about the nature of the world.
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That I not true.
IWantGod said:
You seem to think the world is entirely physical and cannot possibly be the result of something that transcends physical reality. This is the foundation you start from and it is evident in your assumptions. So, any truth that you do find is going to be inherently circular.
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I am not sure about transcends physical reality. All I know is that the reality, what we observe, is not close by laws of physics, standard model is not complete. You can read more in here The Standard Model | CERN.
 
There is a certain mystery for us in why God allows evil, for how long, and when he will put a stop to it. Of course we do know that he will put a stop to it. However, he desires all to be saved as Scripture says. And this is why according to Scripture he does not come sooner and make things right, which is what the Second coming and judgement is all about. When it comes to us humans God allows us to make mistakes and to learn from those mistakes, repent, and come back to him. In his plan of salvation he shows us the way through Jesus who suffered and died for us.

It was Socrates who said it is far better to suffer evil at the hands of another than to commit evil against another person. For when you commit evil against another you harm your own soul. However, when someone else commits evil against you they can not harm your soul.

God is not the author of evil. Evil is actually a rejection of God. Therefore, it would be nonsensical to say that God is doing evil. Yes, God allows people to reject him and do evil. He has given us an intellect so that we can know him and either choose to love him or not. It seems to me that if you have an intellect than you are capable of such choices. If you choose to love someone that is different than being forced or programmed to love someone.

In the end God will separate the wheat from the chaff. In the parable under that name he says not to pull out the weeds until the end because in doing so you may damage the good wheat. God is merciful and gives us many chances to repent before it is too late. For He is a good and loving God who does not desire to harm you but to prosper you. He just asks us to trust in Him. Can anyone show that God could not have moraly justifying reasons for allowing evil for temporary period of time which will ultimately be made right.
 
God uses evil to sanctify those who love Him and to bring about change of hearts in those that want to but can’t.
The crucifixion makes visible in an extreme way how God uses evil to sanctify us and bring us to our intended end in Him.

He had over the centuries worked his deception to darken minds and harden hearts cause people to violate one another. He inspired the Jewish priests and scribes to worship idols and abandon their Temple duties. He turned the people against their rulers. Satan was busy hardening the hearts of the people Jesus would come down and call hIs own.

When Jesus arrived the people that came first in His heart were ripe to accomplish God;s secret plan. Their hearts selfish and greedy, sellers eager to cheat the buyers, their minds conceiving evil continually. By the time Jesus began teaching, they had turned His Father’s house into a robbers den.

The Father allowed Satan;s work to bring about the the most virtuous and radical sacrifice ever.

I think by the time the evil one grasped what was happening it was too late for him to reverse things. He gave it a pitiful try by influencing Peter to try and stop Jesus from going to His Pascal sacrifice Stop Jesus from offering salvation to to the Jews…
 
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Is God allowing humans to do evil the same as God commiting the evil himself?

Is a human allowing humans to do evil the same as the human commiting the evil himself?
If Christ detests evil so much, why is He postponing His second coming? I look for comments here!
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Who knows?

Christi pax.
 
Not the same thing at all. God allows for free will, with all the good and bad repercussions that come with that. We tell our child not to get anywhere near that hot stove, yet he touches it anyway. We cannot blame God for our woes, but we can ask him to give us the graces to make better choices.
 
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