Is God allowing Satan to do evil the same as God committing the evil Himself?

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What are the three fonts of morality? Only one of them involves the outcome.
Please explain the other two so they can see your rationale for why God is in no way responsible even though He condones and allows Satan’s evil acts?

Again, I personally believe that after the fall of Adam and Eve, God knew that evil would have to exist until The Second Coming of Christ and therefore has no choice but to allow it for the salvation of souls, but I also believe that having Satan do all the evil even though God could prevent it is a reflection on God and that He knows that it’s necessary evil which He must allow to take place.
 
Does not God have the power to remove Satan from this world? Is so, why doesn’t He? Again, I believe it’s due to Adam and Eve choosing good and evil (not good versus evil).
 
Please explain the other two so they can see your rationale for why God is in no way responsible even though He condones and allows Satan’s evil acts?
On what basis do you claim that God condones evil?
Again, I personally believe that after the fall of Adam and Eve, God knew that evil would have to exist until The Second Coming of Christ and therefore has no choice but to allow it for the salvation of souls, but I also believe that having Satan do all the evil even though God could prevent it is a reflection on God and that He knows that it’s necessary evil which He must allow to take place.
 
Yes, God is responsible for evil knowing the fact that He can prevent it.

Yes, He could.

Why Christ left us in first place? He had power to bring peace and justice on earth.

Yes, how a good God could do evil?
acutally the word of man are sacred because they were created in God’s Word’s image (john 7 11)
 
On what basis do you claim that God condones evil?
He must condone it, and I believe needs to condone it for the salvation of souls, because otherwise, He would not allow Satan to exist in this world.
 
Consider a man who is able to speak with his now deceased father using a radio that is sending his signal back thirty years into the past (anybody get the reference?). He is aware of how his father died, so the man warns him not to go with his gut when he’s in a fire. The man tells him to go the opposite direction (because he heard from family friends that he would have been okay had he gone this way). The man’s father listens, and he survives. He’s okay.

As a result, someone else survives the fire as well- a murderer. He kills the man’s mother, and will go on to kill several other women. The father and son work together to stop the killer, but that’s irrelevant to the topic at hand.

This man now has two sets of knowledge, since he changed the events: what “really” happened (his mother died instead of his father), and what “could have” happened- his father dying and his mother surviving.

Now consider that another man offers the man we’ve been talking about two choices. He can go back to the time before he found this radio and stop the alternate timeline from occurring, or he can live with the consequences of his actions.

This puts the man in a very tough spot. Does he choose to stick with what he caused, thus allowing his father to survive the fire? or does he decide to go with the timeline that spared his mother and several other women?

Now for the even bigger question: let’s assume that this man chooses to save his mother. He chooses not to use the radio, allowing his father to die in the fire. Is his allowance of this the same as the man killing his father himself?
I don’t really see how this analogy works, because God is capable of all things so He is entirely capable of creating a timeline in which nobody dies.

To fit this, the scenario would have to be: The man can either allow his father to die by not using the radio, or use the radio in order to save everyone. It’s not like the real God only has two imperfect options.
 
Consider a man who is able to speak with his now deceased father using a radio that is sending his signal back thirty years into the past (anybody get the reference?).
I’ve seen that film, it has some good music in it too.

Frequency:)
 
It’s all academic then, isn’t it? You can not prove or disprove your thesis. Just an exercise for you. I looked at your limited bio and now see where you are coming from. I am not your ‘research rat.’ You made me smile 'though!🙂 Peace and happy research.
 
FREE WILL

Changes everything. WE choose evil.
Yes, free will. We can and do, often chose to do evil over good. Satan, ever active is within each of us just waiting for us to bend to his will, desires and commands. As he is a fallen angel he has great power to usurp our wills and intentions, with the intent to become a God… He was ready and did, influence Adam and Eve, even if you put it in a allegory form of understanding. It is an argument that can go on forever just as which came first; the chicken or the egg. It is a part of the mystery that we can not fathom or nail down so it will be a discourse that will be like the cosmos; just go on and on and on. My pea sized brain just isn’t big enough to tackle the secrets of the universe. Peace.
When we sin, we choose to do evil, just like Satan does. Your role in creating your destiny is the greater good for which we are allowed to choose evil. God is not responsible for your, nor Satan’s, choices.
The free will argument doesn’t make much sense to me, so I quoted you all in hopes of gaining a better understanding through an in-depth answer.

My points are as follows:
1.) God gave us free will
2.) We didn’t choose to have free will, we were simply born with it
3.) We humans never asked for free will, so why is it that we all must suffer because of God’s choice to give us free will?
4.) We only have the OPTION to choose evil because God GAVE us the option. I wish with all my heart that we were born without the option to choose evil, yet here we are.
5.) Evil wouldn’t exist if God hadn’t created the option, so therefore is he not responsible for all evil?
6.) Lucifer was created by God and God knew what evil he would bring. So how is God blameless?

We would never have been in pain if God hadn’t created the option, is how I see it.

I apologize for sounding so jaded, I truly do wish to have a response to this. I’ve been trying to wrap my head around this dilemma for several years and I still don’t understand…
 
The free will argument doesn’t make much sense to me, so I quoted you all in hopes of gaining a better understanding through an in-depth answer.

My points are as follows:
1.) God gave us free will
2.) We didn’t choose to have free will, we were simply born with it
3.) We humans never asked for free will, so why is it that we all must suffer because of God’s choice to give us free will?
4.) We only have the OPTION to choose evil because God GAVE us the option. I wish with all my heart that we were born without the option to choose evil, yet here we are.
5.) Evil wouldn’t exist if God hadn’t created the option, so therefore is he not responsible for all evil?
6.) Lucifer was created by God and God knew what evil he would bring. So how is God blameless?

We would never have been in pain if God hadn’t created the option, is how I see it.

I apologize for sounding so jaded, I truly do wish to have a response to this. I’ve been trying to wrap my head around this dilemma for several years and I still don’t understand…
Its good to exist and its good to share existence and so we exist. Its good to give humans freewill so they can choose to either be in a relationship with love or not be in a relationship with love, and so we have freewill.
 
Its good to exist and its good to share existence and so we exist. Its good to give humans freewill so they can choose to either be in a relationship with love or not be in a relationship with love, and so we have freewill.
I read something once, it went as follows:
Having free will does not necessarily entail the possibility of doing evil. God has free will, is morally virtuous, and can enter into meaningful relationships, yet it’s impossible for him to do evil. Couldn’t God have granted the same kind of non-evildoing freedom to us?
So I don’t really understand, still.
 
I read something once, it went as follows:

So I don’t really understand, still.
Without freewill we cannot choose to love God. Love cannot force itself on creation; its something that has to be chosen by definition. In other-words heaven is not possible for human-beings without freewill.

God on the other-hand is an absolutely perfect being, that is why he cannot choose to have imperfection in his own nature. It’s impossible.
 
Without freewill we cannot choose to love God. Love cannot force itself on creation; its something that has to be chosen by definition. In other-words heaven is not possible for human-beings without freewill.

God on the other-hand is an absolutely perfect being, that is why he cannot choose to have imperfection in his own nature. It’s impossible.
God is capable of all things, though, he’s capable of making us perfect beings too. Why didn’t he?
 
I don’t really see how this analogy works, because God is capable of all things so He is entirely capable of creating a timeline in which nobody dies.

To fit this, the scenario would have to be: The man can either allow his father to die by not using the radio, or use the radio in order to save everyone. It’s not like the real God only has two imperfect options.
I was hoping anyone who responded would read my example, then apply it to the next level. So, if the man were given the choice to start over and save everybody… what if one of the people he ends up saving were to do something even worse than what both of his other options caused?
 
God is capable of all things, though, he’s capable of making us perfect beings too. Why didn’t he?
What do you mean by perfect? If you mean why did he give us freewill, i think that’s already been explained ad-nauseam.
 
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