Is Islam responsible for 9/11?

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

I appriciate in your attempt to explain the word Kafir. But you live in the western country and you don’t understand on how to apply it in daily life. And also, it’s hypocrite to claim that kafir isn’t arabic word because this word already been used since 7th CE. I doubt it if you have ever read Al-Kafirun. Now open your Quran, it say:

“قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ”
Qs 109:1
(O Kafirun)

Then open Surah At-Tawbah 1:29, it says:

قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ

(Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger, nor condemn the religion of truth from those who were given the book until they pay tribute out of hand and they are submissive).

I agree that fatwa sometimes made up by Islamic institutions. But I want to ask you, what is the source of Sharia Law (which is apply to all Muslims)? Of course it’s Quran and Hadith, isn’t?

Now, I just present you the art of killing in the name of and the command of Islam and Muhammad to kill all kafir. Unless they’re pay the Jizya and going through horrible persecution.

 

[Niblo]

I appriciate in your attempt to explain the word Kafir. But you live in the western country and you don’t understand on how to apply it in daily life. And also, it’s hypocrite to claim that kafir isn’t arabic word

Where did I say that ‘kafir’ is not an Arabic word? Read my first post again…very carefully this time. The non-Arabic word I refer to is ‘infidel’.

 

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

Peace be upon you.

What is the meaning of infidel in arabic? I doubt it, other than Kafir.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

Yes it is. Fortunately I have the same kids for History, Religion, and English. And some are in my Performing Arts elective, in my PE section or on the football team, which I coach.
I can lead them in a prayer, in any class, any time I want. Continuous reinforcement of Catholicism. Cross curricular Catholicism!

 

[Niblo]

Peace be upon you.

What is the meaning of infidel in arabic?

Peace be upon you, also.

My point is that the word ‘infidel’ does not exist in classical Arabic - does not exist in the Qur’an. How could it, when the word was coined in the 15th century, and is of French or Latin origin? It is for this reason that 'kafir’ ought not to be rendered ‘infidel’. This word - and I have said this before - was first used by Christians to denote anyone who was not of that Faith (in practice, Jews and Muslims).

A ‘kafir’ is someone who hides the truth; someone who is ungrateful; someone who refuses to acknowledge favours given by their Lord.

I repeat: Puritan Muslims use ‘kafir’ as a term of abuse; applying it especially to Christians and Jews. This is not correct. Christians and Jews (as a group) are not unbelievers. They are not ‘kafirs’. That is why a Muslim man (who is forbidden to marry an unbeliever) may marry a Christian or Jewish woman. Moreover, she has an inalienable right, not only to retain her Faith, but to practise it (my wife, for example, is a Catholic).

 

[Niblo]

Then open Surah At-Tawbah 1:29, it says:

Peace be with you.

You refer to Al-Tawba 29:

‘Fight those of the People of the Book who do not (truly) believe in God and the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, who do not obey the rule of justice, until they pay the tax and agree to submit.’

This is the so-called ‘Jizya Verse’.

It is important to note that the following non-Muslims were exempted from paying the tax (around 1 dinar a year): women; children; the elderly; the handicapped; the sick; monks; hermits; slaves; and the insane. Non-Muslim foreigners, whose residence in a Muslim State was temporary, were also exempt. Non-Muslims who elected to join the State’s armed forces were also exempt.

This verse does not address all Jews and Christians, but only their young men of military age.

The offence is failing to pay what is due to the Muslim state in which these young men live. They are tax-dodgers, not apostates from Islam! They are not required to become Muslims, merely to pay the tax.

If a Muslim leader failed to provide his subjects with adequate security, he was obliged to refund the tax. Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn, for example, returned Jizya payments to his Christian subjects when he was compelled to withdraw his army from Syria.

 

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

It is important to note that the following non-Muslims were exempted from paying the tax (around 1 dinar a year): women; children; the elderly; the handicapped; the sick; monks; hermits; slaves; and the insane. Non-Muslim foreigners, whose residence in a Muslim State was temporary, were also exempt. Non-Muslims who elected to join the State’s armed forces were also exempt.

This verse does not address all Jews and Christians, but only their young men of military age.

Peace be upon you.

And thank you for the opinion, I have many former Muslim siblings and parents myself. I came from one of those Islamic country (currently live somewhere else), and your explanation of Jizya is incorect. I guarantee you 100%, there is not even a single synagogue exist in present day (at least from Arab country where i came from). Indeed, there are some mixed Jews but convert to Islam. If there is a Jewish (by religion), she/he would be dead instantly by either civilians nor authority. There are some Christians, but operessed in day to day life and the jizya is ridicolously high.

So, if one not paying jizya, the only option is kill him/her. That’s not a peaceful religion at all and the fact is, that’s a source of radical terorism in the name of Allah and Muhammad SAW.

 

[twf]

It’s definitely a minority, but it has to be a lot higher than the fraction of a percentage you cited…otherwise, how do we explain ISIS ruling parts of two countries at its height? That takes an army…

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

“poor taste” to lead students in classroom prayer? Really??!!
The school you describe doesn’t sound very Catholic. Catholic-in-name-only, perhaps, like many colleges today.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

On a hunch, I just looked through the index of our Social Studies (World History) text and counted page references for Christianity and Catholic (about 30) versus Islam, Mohammed and Muslim (more than 50). The latter cover nearly 60 devoted pages. The former…about 30.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Yes and they didn’t even use guns,instead airplanes! Airplanes are very dangerous

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

Non-Catholics should not be teaching in Catholic schools. At my school all teachers are responsible for catechesis of their students and all teachers lead prayer in the classroom. All teachers are required to achieve Catechist certification. My students assist at Mass two times per week with their class, and on Sundays.
There are Catholic schools, and there are Catholic schools, in the USA and elsewhere.

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

This, I believe, is the First Crusade. (My memory of the Crusades is a bit foggy as it’s been a long time since I’ve revisited that er, illustrious era.)

Don’t forget about the Crusader sack of Constantinople (who, weirdly enough, weren’t Muslims), which irreparably weakened the Byzantine Empire and ultimately lead to its conquest by the Muslim Ottomans.

Going further back into history: Islam, including Muhammad, launched their own Crusades against Christianity long before the European Crusades. This started in 630 A.D and over the centries they conquered Mecca, and continued to invaded Syria, Iraq, Jerusalem, Iran, Egypt, Africa, Spain, Italy, France

Western Crusades started in 1095 A.D. to try and stop the Muslim Invasion. Islamic Crusades continued even after the Western Crusades. Forced conversions into Islam has occurred over 13 Centuries, namely in Africa, Asia and parts of Europe.

 

[SalamKhan]

Islam, including Muhammad, launched their own Crusades against Christianity long before the European Crusades. This started in 630 A.D and they conquered Mecca

Hang on a minute, the Prophet (S) didn’t touch Christian lands, and Makkah was pagan prior to it being conquered by the Muslims.

Forced conversions into Islam has occurred over 13 Centuries, namely in Africa, Asia and parts of Europe.

From Richard Fletcher’s ‘The Conversion of Europe’:

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[SalamKhan]

I came from one of those Islamic country (currently live somewhere else), and your explanation of Jizya is incorect. I guarantee you 100%, there is not even a single synagogue exist in present day (at least from Arab country where i came from).

Brother @Niblo is explaining how Jizya is supposed to be put into practice. It does not necessarily mean everyone will put it into practice properly.

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

Have corrected my typo error. Thank you for highlighting this

 

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

Brother @Niblo is explaining how Jizya is supposed to be put into practice. It does not necessarily mean everyone will put it into practice properly.

Explanation means nothing if it’s not be manifested into practice properly. I don’t want to switch the topic from the OP. It’s a fact that far right Sunni Islam, Al-Qaeda, is behind the 9/11. They justifying it with Al-Quran and Hadith. Stop saying remark like this, “some people in this forum don’t understand Islam”. While I understand @Niblo have (at least) western common sense, and he even sounds like Sufi or Syiah tbh.

 

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

I won’t stop, because it’s a simple fact that they don’t

Keep living in your fantasy with these opinions. I already citing many proves from your Holy Books.

So, Catholic priests are meant to be in persona christi, yet there are many who abuse children. Should I treat the Catholic priesthood the way you treat the jizya? Do you understand what I mean?

Can you please refer me to the Catholic teaching about child abuse? Child abuse itself is outside from Catholic teaching, and it’s not match to compare with Jizya. We are condemn such as actions, and yet, in your Quran and Hadith encouraging discriminications and even kill people outside of your religion. How about that?

 

[JoeShlabotnik]

9-11 was about hate. God is about love. Enough said.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Take it up with the Magisterium who wrote the Catechism, or read one of the dozens of past threads we have on this.

I’m just telling you what the Catechism says. I didn’t make it up and it’s not my personal opinion.