Is it a sin to be pro-choice?

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on_the_hill said:
What I want is a world where people (women, actually) say, “I won’t have an abortion because it is horrifically wrong,” rather than, “I won’t have an abortion because it’s illegal.”

But maybe that goes for everyone who’s pro-life.
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It does go for everyone who’s pro-life. I would also like a world in which people say “I won’t burgle that house because it’s wrong,” rather than, “I won’t burgle that house because it’s illegal.”

And still, I think burgling should be illegal.

Every pro-life person wants more than a legal change. But, just as murder in general is illegal, so should the murder of unborn babies be.
 
It’s a sin to support abortion rights as it is support for an intrinsic evil in our society. Which abortion is.

Abortion always was a symptom of society’s failure to be there for women at their most desperate time of need. It is not, never was, and never will be a solution. That’s why the solution must be a lot more than a law against abortion. Otherwise these women will just turn to illegal means as history has shown us. They must know that them and child will be cared for and supported.

I also find many in the abortion industry care a lot more about defending the ideology of abortion by any means necessary than they do about those women in need. Which honestly tells you all you need to know about that side of the debate.
 
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I am pro life however I struggle with one particular case and that is the one of Lina Medina if you care to google it. Most of the time there are options if you aren’t able to / don’t want to keep your child that don’t involve abortion and it’s rarely as extreme as the case I refer to. I’ll be honest I am pro life but I struggle with extreme cases like that of the above. Is abortion right ? No. Can I blame some women for making that choice? honestly I can’t. I’m still working thru it, coming from a strongly pro choice culture and background
 
halogirl said:
I am pro life however I struggle with one particular case and that is the one of Lina Medina if you care to google it. Most of the time there are options if you aren’t able to / don’t want to keep your child that don’t involve abortion and it’s rarely as extreme as the case I refer to. I’ll be honest I am pro life but I struggle with extreme cases like that of the above. Is abortion right ? No. Can I blame some women for making that choice? honestly I can’t. I’m still working thru it, coming from a strongly pro choice culture and background
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I believe she did deliver her baby via c section, there was no abortion.

Abortion of unborn children conceived by rape (which this was) is executing them for the heinous crime committed by their father. Abortion does not undo this crime or make it not happen.
 
That’s what I mean, I could see how you could say well how can you make a 5 year old undergo that? It disturbs me terribly. Prayers
 
Jesus died on the cross for the redemption and salvation of every person who has, is, and ever will live. To have an abortion or to support the choice of those who want one is to deny the fact that Jesus suffered and died on the cross for that child. To be pro-choice is to reject the crucifixion and make a mockery of the sufferings of Christ.

It does not matter if the child is brain dead, the fact that Jesus died on the cross with that child specifially in mind, means that child has infinite worth that must be protected
 
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Yes, Ann it is wrong to support pro-choice people.

Moral law does not adapt to “what-about-ism,” contrary to what so many people think today.

Abortion is a direct offense against the Fifth Commandment of the Decalogue. It is also in direct contradiction of what we declare each week in the Creed, “I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life.”

Tactics of the pro-life movement can be debated and discussed; but we can never cooperate with those who advocate abortion. Voting for pro-choice candidates because they are pro-choice is a sin.

Cooperating with those who advocate for, or legislate for, the destruction of innocent life is always wrong. Full stop.

Deacon Christopher
 
“Personally” means that you allow others to commit homicide/infanticide at will. Rhetorical question: Have you been influenced by, or even drunk the pop culture Kool Aid? We decry the injustice of the death penalty for the guilty - but allow the death penalty for the innocent?

Francis Cardinal Arinze put it brilliantly some years back: “It is the same as saying ‘personally I am against shooting the members of congress and the senate. But, if someone else wants to do it, it’s just free choice for that person.’”
 
on_the_hill said:
What I want is a world where people (women, actually) say, “I won’t have an abortion because it is horrifically wrong,” rather than, “I won’t have an abortion because it’s illegal."
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But we’d rather have “I won’t have an abortion because it’s illegal” than “I’ll have an abortion”.
 
ann0 said:
What if the child is brain dead? What if the mother was raped or if the child was inbred? The Church teaches to love one’s neighbour like oneself and to not judge people, but yet, these women, these poor confused women, we get to scream ‘murderer’ and ‘whore’ at?
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Even in those circumstances it’s not up to us to make the decision to end that life. Because if you can put conditions and qualifiers onto the sanctity of life, life isn’t sanctified. Either life is sanctified or it’s not. There’s not really a middle ground you can walk on this.
ann0 said:
Women should be spoken to gently and kindly, and allowed to make whatever decision they like in the end. People’s personal opinions should not dictate what they can and can’t do.
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This is an incredibly flawed argument. It’s certainly meant with kindness and concern but it goes back to the question of sanctity. Is life sanctified or is not? You mention people shouting outside of clinics and clinics being vandalized. Those are both terrible things to do, but simply because you have bad actors on the pro-life side doesn’t then extend a free pass to the people who consider themselves pro-choice.

You acknowledge that life begins at conception, so it would be impossible to support abortion at the same time without violating your belief that life does begin at conception. Because if the life of another person begins at conception, how and why should another person decide if that life comes into the world or not?

I know you mean well and you’re asking a genuine question. And my intent isn’t to demean or belittle. I do however think that your proposition is not tenable on theological grounds
 
Is it a sin to be pro-choice?
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Yes (outside of a few exceptions such as an abortion done due to legitimate danger to life of the mother).

I should note however that from my understanding, it is not considered a sin to vote for a pro-choice politician. It is, however, a sin to vote for a politician because they are pro-choice.
 
JSRG said:
Yes (outside of a few exceptions such as an abortion done due to legitimate danger to life of the mother).
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There are no exceptions.

I’m not sure where you get the idea we can support abortion for any reason.
 
We have to want better for babies AND mamas. Supporting a woman in having an abortion that will cause her to carry emotional and psyhological scars throughout her life isn’t kind or merciful. Showing her that she is strong, capable and loved is a better path.
 
Pro choice , whether expressed in thought ,word , or deed ( voting included) is and
always will be a grievous sin. End of discussion.
 
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JSRG:
Yes (outside of a few exceptions such as an abortion done due to legitimate danger to life of the mother).
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There are no exceptions.

I’m not sure where you get the idea we can support abortion for any reason.
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Hrm… looking it up, you seem to be right. I just assumed that since the mother’s life is innocent, when it’s two innocent lives against each other, it’s considered moral (but regrettable) to perform an abortion to save one. It appears that is not the case. That said, the apparent ruling is that in such a case the right thing to do is not perform an abortion, but force birth and just hope the infant can survive, even if it’s really unlikely, so the end result is the same if it’s prior to viability.

That said, a few exceptions do still exist, such as ectopic pregnancies or molar pregnancies. But I suppose some would say those don’t “count” as actual abortions.
 
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JSRG said:
That said, a few exceptions do still exist, such as ectopic pregnancies or molar pregnancies. But I suppose some would say those don’t “count” as actual abortions.
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That depends.

It would be permitted under the principle of double effect to remove the damaged tube. The death of the child is not directly intended nor is there a direct action of killing the child. It is a secondary consequence of operating to remove the damaged tube.

It is not permissible to take methotrexate to kill the child and leave the tube. That is a direct abortion, and attack on the child and can never be moral.
 
Hmm, I used to be ‘personally pro life’ but ‘pro choice’ in general because I didn’t want to enforce anything. I then realized it was just me trying to appease people.

The same doesn’t work when you replace abortion with another sin. Would you say ‘I’m personally against slavery, but if they want to own slaves, that is their business’.

Not really right? Because if you’re truly against something, you wouldn’t support someone else doing it.
ann0 said:
But abortion isn’t like adultery or rape; crimes and sins which are very black and white and definitely wrong. I don’t personally like it. I would never do that to me or my child.
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This is the root of your issue here. You don’t actually see abortion as this huge evil. There’s an inconsistency (not being mean, just pointing this out) in your logic. Why do you not like it? Why would you never do it?

If I say ‘I personally don’t like slavery, I would never have one. But I wouldn’t be against it legally’, I’m immediately watering down the morality of it. Being pro life is now a religious matter, instead of a moral one. Which isn’t accurate.

I would suggest watching the recent Change My Mind:pro life videos on YouTube. I don’t really like the guy because of how uncharitable he is sometimes, but it’s a good video to watch because some of the students have similar views as yours, and he questions them very respectfully about it. I think it will help you to understand the issue more.
 
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God gave you free will. You can do whatever you feel is best. You can support whatever you want to support.

But if you support abortion, even under the conditions you describe, be aware that you are going against Biblical and Church teaching.

Using the Ten Commandments as your guide, abortion falls under the Fifth Commandment (Sixth for Protestants).
“You shall not kill (murder).”

Being “pro-choice,” in this instance, means you are “pro-abortion”/“pro-murder” of the innocent unborn who could be put up for adoption if the mother didn’t want to keep the baby after his/her birth.
 
ann0 said:
abortion isn’t like adultery or rape; crimes and sins which are very black and white and definitely wrong.
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This is the root of the problem…it IS black and white and clearly wrong. It’s the murder of an innocent human being when it is at its most vulnerable. It’s the destruction of an innocent life by ITS OWN MOTHER. the person who should love him or her most.

Our world has become so dark and twisted that it can’t even see that it IS a black and white terrible crime. Worse than child abuse. On the same level as murder because it IS murder.

Yes, it absolutely is a sin to support the murder of children by their own parents.
 
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