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triumphguy
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But that’s a good idea
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mgreen77
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LOL, well its just curious how Moral Relativism is sooooooooo evil and terrible… until it’s needed to justify doing what someone enjoysBut that’s a good idea
Is the unecessary killing of God’s Creatures OK or not?
Welllllll… I enjoy eating it at least, I donate it to the church, it’s better than starving, the fur makes a great rug…
Yea, I know. But there’s a moment when it’s you and the deer. It’s in your sights. You’re not starving, you’re not going to feed anyone who’s starving, the deer is happy and healthy and just eating his lunch…
And you have a choice to pull that trigger and kill the deer… or not.
I guess in the end, only God and the hunter truly knows what’s in his heart at that moment.
Anyone here ever watch “Powder?” Yea I know, lots in it that people here would object to, but there was one very moving, relevant scene in it. Wow, just writing about it makes me cry
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triumphguy
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So: do we need to eat steak?
Are BBQ’s immoral?
How much food is wasted by food packers, supermarkets etc?
How much suffering do food animals go through when they are being “processed?”
I believe that a deer that’s hunted has had a free life. It’s lived like a wild animal. And now it’s going to die quickly and it’s going to be appreciated. Sounds ethical to me.
Are BBQ’s immoral?
How much food is wasted by food packers, supermarkets etc?
How much suffering do food animals go through when they are being “processed?”
I believe that a deer that’s hunted has had a free life. It’s lived like a wild animal. And now it’s going to die quickly and it’s going to be appreciated. Sounds ethical to me.
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bmullins
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I think all of those are very good questions that we should indeed ask ourselves. In this day and age IS meat necessary for health? In some areas yes, in others no. There is a big difference in eating a factory farmed hamburger, and a tribal hunter killing a wild boar for his family to eat dinner. That leads me to another question, that will make a good thread.So: do we need to eat steak?
Are BBQ’s immoral?
How much food is wasted by food packers, supermarkets etc?
How much suffering do food animals go through when they are being “processed?”
I believe that a deer that’s hunted has had a free life. It’s lived like a wild animal. And now it’s going to die quickly and it’s going to be appreciated. Sounds ethical to me.
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funinsnow
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I was 12 years old in 1982 when I lived in Spain & saw on TV a bullfight. What happened was that several horseman 1st stab the bull with lances. It ends with the matador putting the swords in. As I understand, sometimes the bull can be spared if the audience says indulto. As I was 12 then, I didn’t think too much of it but in the school I went to, we had a debate in 7th grade on bullfighting with some students defending it with the argument it’s tradition & customs & another saying it’s animal cruelty. As I haven’t been to Spain yet since leaving in 1984 (hope to visit in Oct. 2012), my guess is that the # of Spaniards wanting to abolish bullfighting is increasing, esp. with the Internet debates among other things.
While in my last post I wrote that I believe in humane hunting such as requiring marksmanship for hunters when going after deer & other animals such as rabbits, partridge, ducks, etc. I haven’t been so much as it relates to bullfighting. What I have to wonder is how many of the people who watch bullfights tourists vs. Spaniards
Bill O’Reilly (though I don’t have Cable anymore) has spoken against bullfighting but Bill O’Reilly in 2003 (unsure now) said he ate steak. Finally the best Spanish food is seafood paella with pan & ending it with Flan dessert. As I’m a vegetarian (I would not become a vegan as I like eggs & dairy) now & don’t eat seafood anymore, I eat vegetarian paella with tortilla-Spanish omlette. While most Spaniards aren’t vegetarians, I must say that among Europeans, the Spaniards are the best when it comes to making vegetarian foods.meltzerboy
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Among European countries, you may be right, although Italy is not too shabby either for its vegetarian pasta dishes. Worldwide, however, India is a haven for vegans and vegetarians.I was 12 years old in 1982 when I lived in Spain & saw on TV a bullfight. What happened was that several horseman 1st stab the bull with lances. It ends with the matador putting the swords in. As I understand, sometimes the bull can be spared if the audience says indulto. As I was 12 then, I didn’t think too much of it but in the school I went to, we had a debate in 7th grade on bullfighting with some students defending it with the argument it’s tradition & customs & another saying it’s animal cruelty. As I haven’t been to Spain yet since leaving in 1984 (hope to visit in Oct. 2012), my guess is that the # of Spaniards wanting to abolish bullfighting is increasing, esp. with the Internet debates among other things.
While in my last post I wrote that I believe in humane hunting such as requiring marksmanship for hunters when going after deer & other animals such as rabbits, partridge, ducks, etc. I haven’t been so much as it relates to bullfighting. What I have to wonder is how many of the people who watch bullfights tourists vs. Spaniards
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bmullins
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I like my curries
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Wesley7
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yes, infosar as you follow the particular local/regional [hunting&fishing] laws.
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nickybr38
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In today’s world it’s cheaper to go hunt your own meat.
Especially if you’re feeding a big family. Hunting license, bullets… these things can’t possibly add up to how much one pays to buy meat from the store.
Especially if you’re feeding a big family. Hunting license, bullets… these things can’t possibly add up to how much one pays to buy meat from the store.
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funinsnow
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As some1 who is Bengali, Indian food is the best when it comes to vegetarians. Chinese & Thais also do well when it comes to vegetarian food. Have had Chinese food in China (2010) & Thai food in Thailand (2002).
Chinese eat alot of vegetables, not much bread & most Chinese are thin. Nations with large Hindu & Buddhist populations have more vegetarians which is why they have good understanding with vegetarian foods. Italians also do well when it comes to vegetarian food, but & you can call it my bias, Spanish vegetarian food is the best when it comes to Europeans. With the healthiest European food, Mediterranean diet is the healthiest. Germans often don’t do well when it comes to vegetarianism as as it involves alot of chocolates & potatos-though they do cook vegetables pretty well-of course Germans are big meat eaters. What I’ve also learned is that alot of the food cooked in Germany incl. the vegetables are done with animal fat.With bullfighting in Spain (la corrida de toros), when it was on Spain TV in 1982, it was on local TV, not cable. Unsure if things have changed since then where they no longer show bullfighting on local TV. Back then in Spain, they had 4 TV channels. Culture, tradition & customs is what bullfigthing defenders say & that was what we debated in 7th grade. Also, my guess is that some of the meat from the bulls killed in bullfights are also used as pet food for dogs & cats.But if you eat beef, then how can you justify your view against bullfighting
You can say animal cruelty but some would say that eating chickens or pork involves animal cruelty. That’s why my belief mainly is that if you’ll eat meat, it’s better to hunt your deer, quail, ducks or other animals by quickly killing it with a gun. They say that wild game which is hunted is healthier & leaner than chicken, pork or beef as wild game isn’t injected with hormones. Do they inject farm animals with hormones or is that sensationalist When I’ve been to zoos, I’ve asked them if they take hunted food. They say that the food they get to feed the animals come from a provider of zoo food. 1 zoo said that during hunting season, they can kills which hunters bring in such as deer (to feed the lions) but they have to make sure the hunted meat is clean.
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DS59
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Simple answer. Yes. It is moral. I’ve been a hunter all my life. I’ve hunted elk, deer, antelope, ducks, geese and pheasants. I used to hunt with guns but now I only bowhunt.
Our former bishop (who is an archbishop now) started a charity pheasant hunt years ago and participated in it. Our current bishop has continued it. A former priest here loved to hunt and fish.
I gave my priest some deer meat this past fall and asked him later if he wanted some more but he said his son who is also a priest (my priest became a priest after his wife died) got a deer this fall hunting and was going to give him some meat.
Our former bishop (who is an archbishop now) started a charity pheasant hunt years ago and participated in it. Our current bishop has continued it. A former priest here loved to hunt and fish.
I gave my priest some deer meat this past fall and asked him later if he wanted some more but he said his son who is also a priest (my priest became a priest after his wife died) got a deer this fall hunting and was going to give him some meat.
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mgreen77
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I’m not sure I understand your logic?
The fact that you, a former bishop and a priest hunt isn’t a rationale for it’s morality.
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severus68
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I agree. God did not put animals here for our abuse. He gave us stewardship. I too think it is no excuse to say I hunt for sport but I never waste the food.I agree, but when I’ve confronted christian hunters about it, they generally say something to the effect, “God put animals here for our use.”
I get hunting for food of course, but when recreational hunters say they eat what they kill, it still sounds more like rationalizing something they know is wrong, since they don’t HAVE to hunt to eat.
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severus68
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Other than what you say in your first sentence, you have a point.
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Yes,
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severus68
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The bull is first stabbed by men on horseback to weaken it. Great sport -not!
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severus68
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Chinese Buddhist monks make great vegetarian, actually vegan food too.
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severus68
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I agree. I know that former priest posted a photo of himself with a huge bear he had just killed. Someone here wrote to him on that (very respectfully), asking him whether that bear had become a threat ( can’t remember the details) and he just did not respond. This was rather a while ago in respect of a similar thread.
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Ridgerunner
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“Factory farms” for cattle are very rare. I live in a major cattle-producing area, (Mo) and I have never seen or heard tell of one.
In Kansas there are some major feed lots, and one could describe those as “factory farms”. But much of your hamburger is never in one, and the cattle that are there spend only a short time there. Most of the beef one eats is grass-fed, out in the fields, though people who are unfamiliar with ranching don’t know it.
I can’t say that meat is necessary for human life in an absolute sense. Clearly, people, being omnivorous like hogs and bears, can live with it or without it. But living without it isn’t so easy. Perhaps more importantly, fully 1/3 of the world’s habitable land is suitable for nothing but grass. We can’t eat grass and live. So, those animals that can eat it and produce very nutritious meat, process the grass for us, and allow more of us to live than would otherwise be the case. 1/3 of the earth’s habitable land is a lot.
I will add that the history of various peoples differs, but most have been at least partially dependent on meat for eons. That’s particularly true of Indo-Europeans, who spent tens of thousands of years as herders on the Eurasian plains where there was almost nothing else to consume but animal products. That’s why most Indo-Europeans retain lactose tolerance into adulthood while most other peoples do not. We adapted our bodies to an animal product-rich diet by (you guessed it) natural selection. Who then, can truly say it’s wrong for us in a physical sense. But moderation is appropriate in everything. Vegans should be grateful to meat eaters. But for the meat eaters, your tofu would probably be beyond your ability to afford it. 1/3 of the habitable world’s surface…remember that.
I have never known a hunter to shoot a deer and not provide for its consumption. One has to ask which is worse for a deer…to be shot down in good health and well-fed, or to be eaten half-alive and half-starved by a mountain lion, coyote or even a feral hog? Deer are subject to some really awful diseases and parasites and are carriers. If not killed by something else, their death from starvation, disease or parasite infestation is horrible. Nature is far more cruel than are any hunters I have ever known.
Animals do not reflect on death. They live from second to second. A mother deer or cow does not grieve the death of her offspring. You can see it in their behavior. Once they realize it’s dead, they utterly ignore it and show not the least sign of sorrow. They will proceed to graze right next to it and wander away in their grazing as if nothing had happened. We humans, however, do reflect on death and on existence, and because we do, we are empathetic. Because we are empathetic, we are prone to transferring our empathy to animals that have no empathy at all themselves or even for themselves. We’re not them, and they’re not us.
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dandingo
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I would agree with others here that hunting just to hunt and wasting the animal would be considered immoral but I would almost dare to say that it’s immoral to not hunt for your food, if you’re able. The more people we have gathering God’s healthy, nutritious meat, the less people there’ll be buying mass-produced factory-farm meat. God gave us animals for many reasons, including assistance, travel, companionship and of course, food.
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