Is it OK to be truly happy living in a world where more than 9,500 innocent children starve to death each and every day?

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Sorry, but as long as there are innocent children starving, you can expect to hear my voice on CAF.
I didn’t say we shouldn’t “hear your voice.” I said that hand-wringing, without action (I said also earlier) is just a broken record. I also said (as did others) that blaming strangers on a message board for not single-handedly reversing the corruption inside African governments is uncharitable and unjust.

Africa is a complex continent. (I can’t think of any continents, off-hand, that aren’t.) It was once heavily colonized. There were also, as you probably know, major political upheavals a generation or two ago, which allowed many countries to regain a certain national pride but which also left them unstable. Add to that the whole Apartheid crisis and resolution of many years ago, which was both a mirror of the endemic inequalities and which drained from the region its productivity, and for many years. (Wars, including internal ones, always, always affect economies of nations; prosperity is invariably linked to peace.) Then you have cultural considerations, including tribal concepts and realities which do not neatly fit into First World expectations and operations.

Africa is still heavily missionary territory for many religions, not just Catholic. And there’s a reason for that: the various countries haven’t begun, overall, to meet living standards of the developed world, which, paradoxically (if they could), would make it easier to deal with their hunger from the distance of other continents.

The worldwide mission should not necessarily narrowly focus on hunger, although that’s always the most immediate concern, obviously. The mission should focus on Development. However, that also is easier said than done, due to very different agricultural conditions, climate conditions, local political situations (including tribal). Bringing cultures which have been economically stagnant for so long suddenly up to the level of the 21st century is a Herculean task, but I suggest that the most responsible and honest efforts, on the part of the Big Powers + the U.N. should be focused on internal economic development, communications, and infrastructure. Those are not necessarily subject to seizure, en masse, by government officials.

If I were to make any suggestion to you, it would be to open an initiative (or get a friend to help you with the tech aspects of this) to petition the U.N (possibly through various representatives in Congress or other US gov’t members). to declare sub-Saharan Africa an Economic War Zone and one in immediate danger, forcing a situation which would allow for U.N. oversight and intervention, such as the UN does in transitional military situations, etc. What is needed to speed the process of ending starvation is to override the local impediments and to bring to bear First World authority (not just non-profit groups but authority) in a decisive and visible way. That would be an authority that would situate itself, long-term, in such regions, to help with modernization, so that then non-profit groups, individuals, and non-African governments could be effective in initial outreach and so the various African countries could become economically independent or at least semi-independent much faster than waiting for the 22nd century.
 
I didn’t say we shouldn’t “hear your voice.” I said that hand-wringing, without action (I said also earlier) is just a broken record. I also said (as did others) that blaming strangers on a message board for not single-handedly reversing the corruption inside African governments is uncharitable and unjust.

Africa is a complex continent. (I can’t think of any continents, off-hand, that aren’t.) It was once heavily colonized. There were also, as you probably know, major political upheavals a generation or two ago, which allowed many countries to regain a certain national pride but which also left them unstable. Add to that the whole Apartheid crisis and resolution of many years ago, which was both a mirror of the endemic inequalities and which drained from the region its productivity, and for many years. (Wars, including internal ones, always, always affect economies of nations; prosperity is invariably linked to peace.) Then you have cultural considerations, including tribal concepts and realities which do not neatly fit into First World expectations and operations.

Africa is still heavily missionary territory for many religions, not just Catholic. And there’s a reason for that: the various countries haven’t begun, overall, to meet living standards of the developed world, which, paradoxically (if they could), would make it easier to deal with their hunger from the distance of other continents.

The worldwide mission should not necessarily narrowly focus on hunger, although that’s always the most immediate concern, obviously. The mission should focus on Development. However, that also is easier said than done, due to very different agricultural conditions, climate conditions, local political situations (including tribal). Bringing cultures which have been economically stagnant for so long suddenly up to the level of the 21st century is a Herculean task, but I suggest that the most responsible and honest efforts, on the part of the Big Powers + the U.N. should be focused on internal economic development, communications, and infrastructure. Those are not necessarily subject to seizure, en masse, by government officials.

If I were to make any suggestion to you, it would be to open an initiative (or get a friend to help you with the tech aspects of this) to petition the U.N (possibly through various representatives in Congress or other US gov’t members). to declare sub-Saharan Africa an Economic War Zone and one in immediate danger, forcing a situation which would allow for U.N. oversight and intervention, such as the UN does in transitional military situations, etc. What is needed to speed the process of ending starvation is to override the local impediments and to bring to bear First World authority (not just non-profit groups but authority) in a decisive and visible way. That would be an authority that would situate itself, long-term, in such regions, to help with modernization, so that then non-profit groups, individuals, and non-African governments could be effective in initial outreach and so the various African countries could become economically independent or at least semi-independent much faster than waiting for the 22nd century.
You appear content on telling me where I should direct my attention, but I feel quite content doing what I’m doing now… keeping the CAFs members informed on any update, or debate I can think of, that is related to the starvation of children.
 
Sorry, but as long as there are innocent children starving, you can expect to hear my voice on CAF.
you can say as much as you want, but first do a research.

what does doing as much as we can has to do with not being happy? in fact i’ve heard that happy persons tend to work much better.

besides all your quotes from the Bible seems to be of your own personal interpretation, so go to a good apologist and ask all those stuff. you are doing the same mistake some protestants do, to interpretate the Bible according to their own beliefs and plans.

but first, answer this question:

WHAT DOES NOT BEING HAPPY HAS TO DO WITH HELPING?
 
You appear content on telling me where I should direct my attention, but I feel quite content doing what I’m doing now… keeping the CAFs members informed on any update, or debate I can think of, that is related to the starvation of children.
So you have moved on from the gun debate? Oh, and the “vigilance not vigilantes?”
 
you can say as much as you want, but first do a research.

what does doing as much as we can has to do with not being happy? in fact i’ve heard that happy persons tend to work much better.

besides all your quotes from the Bible seems to be of your own personal interpretation, so go to a good apologist and ask all those stuff. you are doing the same mistake some protestants do, to interpretate the Bible according to their own beliefs and plans.

but first, answer this question:

WHAT DOES NOT BEING HAPPY HAS TO DO WITH HELPING?
‘Helping’ became a side issue. The argument was whether or not increased compassion could help the plight of these starving children.

What about Hail Holy Queen and the writings of Saint Anthony Mary Claret from The Golden Key to Heaven? Did I misinterpret them also?
 
You appear content on telling me where I should direct my attention, but I feel quite content doing what I’m doing now… keeping the CAFs members informed on any update, or debate I can think of, that is related to the starvation of children.
in which case - as Tony has said, I have said, and others here have said – you are interested, by your own admission, in talk, not action. (“Feeling quite content doing what” you’re doing now.) Talk, not action: “keeping others informed,” “updating,” and “debating.”

Therefore, do not expect action from us, either. Don’t keep asking us what we’re “doing,” because as a Catholic bound by the social gospel as much as we are, you apparently feel no duty to do anything whatsoever. Somehow, however, it’s up to us to “do” something.

If you have no obligation to do anything, neither do we.
 
‘Helping’ became a side issue. The argument was whether or not increased compassion could help the plight of these starving children.
By itself, how does an emotion help? Again, Jesus didn’t instruct us in emotions but in actions. Jesus would never consider helping to be “a side issue,” nor would he have ever done the equivalent of putting the word “help” in quotes. It’s the central and ultimately the only important issue.
 
in which case - as Tony has said, I have said, and others here have said – you are interested, by your own admission, in talk, not action. (“Feeling quite content doing what” you’re doing now.) Talk, not action: “keeping others informed,” “updating,” and “debating.”

Therefore, do not expect action from us, either. Don’t keep asking us what we’re “doing,” because as a Catholic bound by the social gospel as much as we are, you apparently feel no duty to do anything whatsoever. Somehow, however, it’s up to us to “do” something.

If you have no obligation to do anything, neither do we.
I do what I can… what I feel comfortable doing.

Nowhere did I ask members what they are doing!!!
 
‘Helping’ became a side issue. The argument was whether or not increased compassion could help the plight of these starving children.

What about Hail Holy Queen and the writings of Saint Anthony Mary Claret from The Golden Key to Heaven? Did I misinterpret them also?
Then i suggest you ask this thread to be closed and start one to ask people to support starving people and such, Try to convince people to do our best as humans we are to help our brothers in need but dont use emotional blackmail.

about the second one I dont know, but there is no reason to say that you could not have misinterpret those too, people misinterpret stuff a lot.
 
We as Christians believing in Jesus’ teachings try our best to help those in need. We send missionaries, give to charities and many other helps. There will never be enough help, but we keep plugging. Jesus said “You will always have the poor with you.” My mind and heart bleeds for people who are hurting in so many ways. I too know from experience the pain of the suffering of deprivation of many faces. I also learned that no matter how much effort I make to rectify the situation as I have tried in various ways, God Himself had to show me that there is only “One Saviour” Jesus Christ. All human effort no matter how self sacrificing we may be will not cure all the suffering we see in the world. I have learned through a lot of pain that the best I am able to do is to witness to Jesus, point the way for all to see, and live my daily life as a Christian implementing all of Christs’ teachings to the best of my ability. Yes praying for humanity, preventing mans’ inhumanity to man by the grace of God. Jesus taught me that we are not fighting “flesh and blood, but powers and principalities” who control the unconverted world.,and even assault the converted world through its weaknesses. Without His saving grace corruption and evil will hold their sway. We live in a very incredulous world. We can’t see the trees for the forest. I can’t give witness because it is personal.in this forum. But I can share some of the fruits of my spiritual experience. Then you can decide for yourselves. One of the lessons I learned concerned “seeing the splinter in your brothers eye and not the beam in your own.” Another way this applies is" I am right in my thinking I’m sure…an attitude of infallibility. (self-righteousness) Because of this spiritual condition based on hidden pride somewhere in the recesses of our soul, we become like St. Paul…before his conversion, even agreeing with the death of St. Steven! This is a universal affliction that has been responsible for wars, church splits, family destruction, hatred, much error and injustice, the killing of neighbor love the list goes on. The big surprise comes that we are blind to this evil always lurching at our door. It is regarded as the “Sin of good people” it makes us, less effective in expanding Gods’ kingdom and can even cause great damage. When we expect from people what they can’t give and judge them, we commit a grave sin against love and justice. The worst part is that we are not even aware we are doing this. Dear Jesus remove our blindness so that we may see… there is only one Saviour and it isn’t me We don’t have the power to convert, but we can show the way by our witnessing and our life, we must let the Holy Spirit lead, and not quench the Spirit. The Holy Spirit was given when Jesus was glorified, the same hold true for every human. We too must glorify Jesus and ask for His Spirit Salvation is available to all through Jesus and only Him, it is right and just, nobody will take the credit from Him.the Father will prevent that. Amen.
 
We as Christians believing in Jesus’ teachings try our best to help those in need. We send missionaries, give to charities and many other helps. There will never be enough help, but we keep plugging. Jesus said “You will always have the poor with you.” My mind and heart bleeds for people who are hurting in so many ways. I too know from experience the pain of the suffering of deprivation of many faces. I also learned that no matter how much effort I make to rectify the situation as I have tried in various ways, God Himself had to show me that there is only “One Saviour” Jesus Christ. All human effort no matter how self sacrificing we may be will not cure all the suffering we see in the world. I have learned through a lot of pain that the best I am able to do is to witness to Jesus, point the way for all to see, and live my daily life as a Christian implementing all of Christs’ teachings to the best of my ability. Yes praying for humanity, preventing mans’ inhumanity to man by the grace of God. Jesus taught me that we are not fighting “flesh and blood, but powers and principalities” who control the unconverted world.,and even assault the converted world through its weaknesses. Without His saving grace corruption and evil will hold their sway. We live in a very incredulous world. We can’t see the trees for the forest. I can’t give witness because it is personal.in this forum. But I can share some of the fruits of my spiritual experience. Then you can decide for yourselves. One of the lessons I learned concerned “seeing the splinter in your brothers eye and not the beam in your own.” Another way this applies is" I am right in my thinking I’m sure…an attitude of infallibility. (self-righteousness) Because of this spiritual condition based on hidden pride somewhere in the recesses of our soul, we become like St. Paul…before his conversion, even agreeing with the death of St. Steven! This is a universal affliction that has been responsible for wars, church splits, family destruction, hatred, much error and injustice, the killing of neighbor love the list goes on. The big surprise comes that we are blind to this evil always lurching at our door. It is regarded as the “Sin of good people” it makes us, less effective in expanding Gods’ kingdom and can even cause great damage. When we expect from people what they can’t give and judge them, we commit a grave sin against love and justice. The worst part is that we are not even aware we are doing this. Dear Jesus remove our blindness so that we may see… there is only one Saviour and it isn’t me We don’t have the power to convert, but we can show the way by our witnessing and our life, we must let the Holy Spirit lead, and not quench the Spirit. The Holy Spirit was given when Jesus was glorified, the same hold true for every human. We too must glorify Jesus and ask for His Spirit Salvation is available to all through Jesus and only Him, it is right and just, nobody will take the credit from Him.the Father will prevent that. Amen.
:clapping: A superb post!
 
We as Christians believing in Jesus’ teachings try our best to help those in need. We send missionaries, give to charities and many other helps. There will never be enough help, but we keep plugging. Jesus said “You will always have the poor with you.” My mind and heart bleeds for people who are hurting in so many ways. I too know from experience the pain of the suffering of deprivation of many faces. I also learned that no matter how much effort I make to rectify the situation as I have tried in various ways, God Himself had to show me that there is only “One Saviour” Jesus Christ. All human effort no matter how self sacrificing we may be will not cure all the suffering we see in the world. I have learned through a lot of pain that the best I am able to do is to witness to Jesus, point the way for all to see, and live my daily life as a Christian implementing all of Christs’ teachings to the best of my ability. Yes praying for humanity, preventing mans’ inhumanity to man by the grace of God. Jesus taught me that we are not fighting “flesh and blood, but powers and principalities” who control the unconverted world.,and even assault the converted world through its weaknesses. Without His saving grace corruption and evil will hold their sway. We live in a very incredulous world. We can’t see the trees for the forest. I can’t give witness because it is personal.in this forum. But I can share some of the fruits of my spiritual experience. Then you can decide for yourselves. One of the lessons I learned concerned “seeing the splinter in your brothers eye and not the beam in your own.” Another way this applies is" I am right in my thinking I’m sure…an attitude of infallibility. (self-righteousness) Because of this spiritual condition based on hidden pride somewhere in the recesses of our soul, we become like St. Paul…before his conversion, even agreeing with the death of St. Steven! This is a universal affliction that has been responsible for wars, church splits, family destruction, hatred, much error and injustice, the killing of neighbor love the list goes on. The big surprise comes that we are blind to this evil always lurching at our door. It is regarded as the “Sin of good people” it makes us, less effective in expanding Gods’ kingdom and can even cause great damage. When we expect from people what they can’t give and judge them, we commit a grave sin against love and justice. The worst part is that we are not even aware we are doing this. Dear Jesus remove our blindness so that we may see… there is only one Saviour and it isn’t me We don’t have the power to convert, but we can show the way by our witnessing and our life, we must let the Holy Spirit lead, and not quench the Spirit. The Holy Spirit was given when Jesus was glorified, the same hold true for every human. We too must glorify Jesus and ask for His Spirit Salvation is available to all through Jesus and only Him, it is right and just, nobody will take the credit from Him.the Father will prevent that. Amen.
There are enough resources in the world to feed and care for everyone. It’s greed and selfishness that prevents it. This is what angers me… it’s preventable!!!
 
Alas, what a life is this, where trials and sorrows never cease, and where all things are full of snares and foes! For when one trial or temptation departs, another takes its place; and even while the conflict rages, other troubles arise, innumerable and unexpected.

How can we love life, when it holds so much bitterness, and is subject to so many sorrows and calamities? How, indeed, can that be called life, which breeds death and pain in such full measure?
-The Imitation of Christ, Book 3, Chapter 20
 
My brother inChrist: Any body that has love for his neighbor, especially supernatural love shares Christs’ sufferings when he sees human tragedy and especially when he realizes that something can be done about it, but not necessarily by him. We believe we have power in prayer. There are the wealthy, the so-called powerful that can really help but they like the rich man and the story of Lazarus, are making a choice. Their, happiness is here. in time, which is passing.and not complete. By the grace of God there are charitable people who open their hearts to the suffering. These are noble souls who reflect the love that God has for mankind.they reflect Christ and our Father sees His own Son in them and bestows His Love upon them as His own sons. Those that do the work of God receive Gods’ pay even in this life. Where sin abounds, grace abounds more. Those that Love Christ and seek to do Gods’ will by loving their neighbor will drink at the Streams of Living Water ( that intimate life of the Holy Spirit who continually fortifies us, consoles us, and strenghtens us in our life here, something that those who have all the luxury, and physical comfort, and power on this earth will never know) Nobody that hasn’t fought as a spiritual warrior with the armor of Christ , fought the good fight will not conquer himself or the Devil, or enter Paradise. We must not judge anyone, but consider our position as blessed and keep praying with Hope for those who can do something to help others. They really can’t until they receive salvation form Christ. Its’ the Fathers’ move.

Pope John Paul II: The personal encounter with Christ is the ultimate influence for social and economic behavior.

Pope Paul VI: The encounter will not take place unless the Gospel is proclaimed by witness. Never the less this is always insufficient because the finest witness will prove ineffective if not explained and justified and made explicit by clear unequivical proclamation of the Lord, Jesus Christ by word. There is no evangelization if the name, teachings, the kingdom and the mystery of Jesus, the Son of God are not proclaimed."

St. Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles (Phil 3:7-ll) I consider all as loss because of the supreme good of knowing Christ Jesus, my Lord." (ICol.I:l5-29) …He is before all things, He is the beginning, that in all things He Himself might be pre-eminent…in Him were created all things, for Him, and through Him…: No-one can come to Jesus unless the Father calls him, and no-one can go the Father except through Jesus, pray the Father calls him.👍

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There are enough resources in the world to feed and care for everyone. It’s greed and selfishness that prevents it. This is what angers me… it’s preventable!!!
It’s not greed, per se, but it is war, and the loss of infrastructure attendant to war. It’s difficult to operate a grocery store in a war zone, and it’s impossible for people to get out and harvest crops in a mine field. And when people are running for their lives, they don’t stop to plant gardens.
 
Alas, what a life is this, where trials and sorrows never cease, and where all things are full of snares and foes! For when one trial or temptation departs, another takes its place; and even while the conflict rages, other troubles arise, innumerable and unexpected.

How can we love life, when it holds so much bitterness, and is subject to so many sorrows and calamities? How, indeed, can that be called life, which breeds death and pain in such full measure?
-The Imitation of Christ, Book 3, Chapter 20
This one-sided view of life conflicts with the joyful message of Jesus:

“It rejects and eliminates every speculative element not only of scholasticism but also of mysticism, and yet, at the same time, it abstracts from the colourful multiplicity of the Bible and – since **it is written for those who have turned from the world **– disregards the world, in all its richness, as a field for Christian activity…In place of the openhearted readiness of a Catherine of Siena, a subdued and melancholy resignation runs through the book…there is an excess of warnings about the world, the illusions of egoism, the dangers of speculation and of the active apostolate. In this way, even the idea of the imitation of Christ does not become the dominant perspective. There is no mention of the mediation of the God-man, of access through Christ, in the Holy Spirit, to the Father. The mystery of the Church, therefore, does not come into view either. The individual is unaware that his love of God can only be fulfilled if it expands into love of neighbor and into the apostolate. All [that] remains is a flight from the world, a world that has not been brought home in Christ.” - Hans Urs von Balthasar
 
This one-sided view of life conflicts with the joyful message of Jesus:

“It rejects and eliminates every speculative element not only of scholasticism but also of mysticism, and yet, at the same time, it abstracts from the colourful multiplicity of the Bible and – since **it is written for those who have turned from the world **– disregards the world, in all its richness, as a field for Christian activity…In place of the openhearted readiness of a Catherine of Siena, a subdued and melancholy resignation runs through the book…there is an excess of warnings about the world, the illusions of egoism, the dangers of speculation and of the active apostolate. In this way, even the idea of the imitation of Christ does not become the dominant perspective. There is no mention of the mediation of the God-man, of access through Christ, in the Holy Spirit, to the Father. The mystery of the Church, therefore, does not come into view either. The individual is unaware that his love of God can only be fulfilled if it expands into love of neighbor and into the apostolate. All [that] remains is a flight from the world, a world that has not been brought home in Christ.” - Hans Urs von Balthasar
To cut down The Imitation of Christ, is to cut down the greatest book in Christianity next to the Bible!
 
*This one-sided view of life conflicts with the joyful message of Jesus:
You have completely ignored the points made by a man who was due to be a cardinal and is considered one of the most important Roman Catholic theologians of the 20th century.

He is not denying its value but simply pointing out the limitations of a book written primarily for** those who have turned from the world and are not engaged in the active apostolate. **
 
You have completely ignored the points made by a man who was due to be a cardinal and is considered one of the most important Roman Catholic theologians of the 20th century.

He is not denying its value but simply pointing out the limitations of a book written primarily for** those who have turned from the world and are not engaged in the active apostolate. **
What is the difference between “pointing out the limitations” and criticism. I hear criticism in his stance. He’s watering-down Christianity in his assumptions.
 
What is the difference between “pointing out the limitations” and criticism. I hear criticism in his stance. He’s watering-down Christianity in his assumptions.
You are still ignoring and implicitly rejecting points made by an eminent theologian who has been nominated as a cardinal of the Catholic Church:
  1. The *Imitation of Christ *disregards the world, in all its richness, as a field for Christian activity.
  2. It is written for those who have** turned away from the world.**
  3. There is an excess of** warnings about the world,** the illusions of egoism, the dangers of speculation and of the active apostolate.
  4. Even the imitation of Christ is not the dominant perspective!
  5. There is** no mention of the mediation of the God-man**, of access through Christ, in the Holy Spirit, to the Father.
  6. The mystery of the Church, therefore, does not come into view either.
  7. The individual is unaware that his love of God can only be fulfilled if it expands into love of neighbour and into the apostolate.
8.It is a flight from a world that has not been brought home in Christ.
 
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