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Robert_Sock
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Why did they dress in sackcloth and cover themselves with ashes if they were not sad?
Is it OK to be truly happy living in a world where more than 9,500 innocent children starve to death each and every day?
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tonyrey
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With a long face and lamenting life on earth?
The pursuit of happiness is **not **the primary goal of Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Jews, and Muslims but virtue which leads to peace and joy.
They rejoiced when they returned to their homeland on earth.
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tonyrey
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It was not for the rest of their lives but to show they repented of their sins.
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Robert_Sock
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Why would anybody who is experiencing LOVE have a long face or be miserable.With a long face and lamenting life on earth?
So happiness is a virtue? Honesty is a virtue, happiness is just an emotion.
I was talking about the time during their exile.
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tonyrey
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If we really feel great joy we cannot be miserable.
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Robert_Sock
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What do you rightfully feel when a loved one is hurting?
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Robert_Sock
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Who said anything about us feeling miserable? Not from me. I’m just stating that LOVE is superior to happiness and eliminates misery.
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tonyrey
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That is what I’m asking you! I believe we should be fundamentally joyful and not regard this life as a hell on earth.
Happiness is the result of virtue - unless one is a Puritan!
Which you were comparing to our life on earth.
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tonyrey
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In that case we can be fundamentally happy while we are on earth in spite of our problems and the suffering in the world. I’m sure you don’t agree with Schopenhauer who believed it would have been better if life had never existed on this planet.
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tonyrey
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Sadness, of course, but it shouldn’t blot out everything else for the rest of our lives.
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Robert_Sock
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Again, you’re not distinguishing between the target of the joy; never would I condemn joy that is directed towards God.
Life on earth is anything but hell, but it’s a journey, in exile, leading us to our salvation.
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tonyrey
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Don’t you ever direct your joy towards those you love - and others?
I’m off to bed. It’s past midnight here. Good night, Robert, and God bless.
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Robert_Sock
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I direct my LOVE towards those I love, which sometimes includes joy, but I always carry a special sadness in my heart because of all the sadness this world evokes.
GOODNIGHT!!!
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DMC12
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At least on that part, if I’m not mistaken He does not says anything about a need of poor people, He only said that there would be poor people.
Also if you are considering poor people diferent from starving children I think you are in a mistake.
I think that was part of the fasting, not everyday behaviour.
I think here is a very impotant part. what do i feel when someone I love is in pain? of course im in pain too, but it is totally diferent from what you seem to say, if im in pain because people I love are suffering, it is natural, I would be sad because that is what I’d feeling, not because I’d be looking for that. and you seem to be looking to be sad, not just feeling it.
can you give me examples of joy that is directed towards God, and of happiness?
now, you seem like those guys who want to get a Schwarzenegger-like body, and just rush to the Gym without asking for a trainer or medical opinions, they do the exercises wrong and they only get hurt.
you are just rushing in your spiritual life, without looking for some one with experience and knowledge to guide you, you are trying to take big steps.
You wanted to follow a Benedictine law, when you are not part of them, even more you tought we all should follow their own laws. that shows that even if you have good intentions, you are misguided, you need a good spiritual director to help you do thing rights.
If you really want to Live like the Benedictine monks, go and join them, so you can truly do the things like are meant to be done.
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thistle
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What utter nonsense!
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inocente
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All of us have limited gifts and talents. If you think of yourself as a loser then everywhere you look you’ll find evidence. If you think of yourself as worthy then everywhere you look you’ll find evidence.When you have limited gifts and talents, you tend to lose. When you lose fairly consistently, you can consider yourself a loser. When you think of yourself as having a pathetic brain, and many people in many different circumstances (i.e. they don’t know each other) validate that impression, it becomes something that you integrate as part of who God made you. Being a loser and a dummy invariably yields hopelessness. Depression, from my perspective, is best dealt with “cold turkey”, pills make me dazed, slur my speech, make my brain less efficient
Imho this kind of thread isn’t helping you. It’s fine if undepressed people want to dwell on the dark side and feign being depressed about the world, fortunately they have no idea that hell, the real hell, is cold and grey and is called clinical depression.
Depression is one of the top ten reasons why people visit their doctor. Refuse drugs if you want, I’m no expert but I think drugs can’t fix the problem anyway, they can only alleviate the symptoms. The fix involves removing the stress which caused the onset, and if it wasn’t a one off (in my case it was overwork involving, ironically, a charity providing food for the hungry
) then counseling may be indicated to let you identify the patterns of thought causing the problem. Your doctor will know, it’s her job.
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Elizabeth502
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That’s your privilege (dubiously called), and your emotional geography to choose to travel in, but where you transgress on the geography of others is to project that expectation onto strangers on a discussion forum, while using guilt and repetition as a way of manipulating their emotions.to coincide with yours. Some people might call that a violation of charity, in the name of so-called charity.
Most of the projection we do in life is not intentional (or we are not aware of our motives or even the fact that we are projecting something internal to the world outside), but the effect can be quite hurtful and unjust to innocent others until we come to terms with that.
meltzerboy
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Very Freudian, Elizabeth! I would simply say that Robert seems to be trying to validate his own concerns.That’s your privilege (dubiously called), and your emotional geography to choose to travel in, but where you transgress on the geography of others is to project that expectation onto strangers on a discussion forum, while using guilt and repetition as a way of manipulating their emotions.to coincide with yours. Some people might call that a violation of charity, in the name of so-called charity.
Most of the projection we do in life is not intentional (or we are not aware of our motives or even the fact that we are projecting something internal to the world outside), but the effect can be quite hurtful and unjust to innocent others until we come to terms with that.
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Robert_Sock
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Psalms 136:1
Upon the rivers of Babylon, there we sat and wept: when we remembered Sion:
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