Is it Right for the Catholic Church to fund groups that attack the American Way of Life?

[catharina]

I’m kind of curious as to what exactly is this ubiquitous “American Way of Life”

Is it like hot dogs and go cart races or something?- maybe big colorful lollipops? Drag races?

Once upon a time:
baseball
mom
apple pie.

Now, it’s closer to:
steroids and illegal gambling in professional sports
gay parenthood
drink and drug 'til you drop.

 

[Redbandito]

Grateful to see both of your clarifications re where the road splits between you and bullfighter. It is indeed his tone that is so insulting, one-dimensional, so filled with ridicule, so supportive of obvious bigotry that I find it difficult to agree with a word he says. Like most people in this country - including many newcomers, I fully agree that the nation needs immigration reform.

good deal! As dennis Prager always says, “I seek clarity rather than agreement.” however, if we can have both, it’s even better. Good discussion folks. I’m gonna hit the sack now. Blessings!

 

[catharina]

good deal! As dennis Prager always says, “I seek clarity rather than agreement.” however, if we can have both, it’s even better. Good discussion folks. I’m gonna hit the sack now. Blessings!

G’nite for now.

(Who is Dennis Prager???)

 

[Redbandito]

G’nite for now.

(Who is Dennis Prager???)

A conservative Jewish radio talk show host from California.

 

[catharina]

A conservative Jewish radio talk show host from California.

Gracias, Danke, Xie xie, Merci, thanks, etc…

 

[wanner47]

Since the American Way of Life guarentees the Catholic Church freedom of religion, I would think they would be grateful to America and not fund those groups!

Not if the so-called “American Way of Life” contradicts the moral good.

After all, part of the “American Way of Life” means letting women kill their children with impunity.

 

[mpi]

Immigration in the presence of America’s welfare state is a problem. If we eliminated welfare then people would be more agreeable to immigration.

This is one of the many unintended consequences of the welfare state. No wonder PJPII rejects the welfare state in his encyclical Centesimum Annus (para 48).

Of course the far greater effect of the welfare state is the breakdown of the family.

 

[PaulinVA]

If settlers is a revisionist history, it goes back to the beginning of this country as the word is often used in old books.

You must be reading one of those “make whitey feel guilty” history books that are usually written by minorities.

If it is ever on again, watch the PBS documentary about the French and Indian War.

The European were absolutely shocked at how the Indian would behave like “savages”. Scalping, gutting out the bowels of those who surrendered. I guess if you ran into a cannibal, you would offer your arm just so he wouldn’t think you were a racist.

I’m just shocked at your entire attitude.

My views on what the “settlers” did to native Americans is history. You can’t deny history just because it doesn’t fit into your racist little world view. Just because someone is a “savage” does not mean that they are a human person worthy of dignity.

I have to ask this. Are you for real, or are you a troll baiting us?

 

[PaulinVA]

It saddens me so many Americans of good will believe this. Im not saying all european settlers were kind to native Americans but your caricature is far from historically accurate. A great read on this is medveds 10 biggest lies about America. Check it out. I think it will be refreshing.

I stand by what I wrote.

 

[Bullfighter]

I’m just shocked at your entire attitude.

My views on what the “settlers” did to native Americans is history. You can’t deny history just because it doesn’t fit into your racist little world view. Just because someone is a “savage” does not mean that they are a human person worthy of dignity.

I have to ask this. Are you for real, or are you a troll baiting us?

How many Native Americans killed helpless immigrants trying to start a new life in America. That is also history. Would you prefer to live in a world full of savages? Then just sit back and do nothing. The savages (gangs) will be coming to you.

I guess if your on the side of the Native American, you are anti immigrant.

What about all the Spanish conquestedors killing in the name of Catholicism. When you open a history book you’ll see there is blood on everyone’s hands. No one is innocent.

 

[Bullfighter]

My point is that you are telling this story now as a way to mock and ridicule the “mexicans” about how you “play with their brains.” again valid points lost because of tone.

These were people trying to claim that THEY own all of North America. I simply called their bluff.

 

[Bullfighter]

Grateful to see both of your clarifications re where the road splits between you and bullfighter. It is indeed his tone that is so insulting, one-dimensional, so filled with ridicule, so supportive of obvious bigotry that I find it difficult to agree with a word he says. Like most people in this country - including many newcomers, I fully agree that the nation needs immigration reform.

I used to be a nice guy until they invaded my country. By the way, how many of you wonderful, loving, religious people live in neighborhoods that have been taken over by the invaders.?

Well?

I guess that leaves only me at the Alamo! Kinda like that guy people left hanging on a cross. Where were His friends when He needed them?

The wonderful, loving, religious people all ran away. Only the tough “I don’t give a damn” senior citizens remain. I am proud of these people. And I am ashamed of the delicate geniuses that ran like hell to move to safer neighborhoods. This would still be a decent neighborhood if they hadn’t run away.

 

[PaulinVA]

How many Native Americans killed helpless immigrants trying to start a new life in America. That is also history. Would you prefer to live in a world full of savages?

Let me get this straight. The native Americans defended their land from invasion by the Anglos, and that was bad. That was bad because they were ignorant savages and the Anglos were God-fearing white people?

Then the white Anglo conquerors “defend” the same land against the Latin American immigrants and that is good, because the Latins Americans are, what, savages that don’t even speak English?

Wow.

What about all the Spanish conquestedors killing in the name of Catholicism. When you open a history book you’ll see there is blood on everyone’s hands. No one is innocent.

You are right. No one is innocent.

 

[Redbandito]

I stand by what I wrote.

and? Is that supposed to prove something? You can stand by what you wrote, but it is an inaccurate, one-sided, anti-American caricature of actual history written by the left to cause guilt. I already said I agree that there were some who were not good to the natives, but there were many who were, and it went both ways.

 

[Redbandito]

These were people trying to claim that THEY own all of North America. I simply called their bluff.

Again you missed the point. The problem isn’t so much with what you said but with the attitude in which you are presenting it now.

 

[PaulinVA]

and? Is that supposed to prove something? You can stand by what you wrote, but it is an inaccurate, one-sided, anti-American caricature of actual history written by the left to cause guilt. I already said I agree that there were some who were not good to the natives, but there were many who were, and it went both ways.

That’s really funny!

I’m a conservative veteran who loves America.

 

[Bullfighter]

Let me get this straight. The native Americans defended their land from invasion by the Anglos, and that was bad. That was bad because they were ignorant savages and the Anglos were God-fearing white people?

Then the white Anglo conquerors “defend” the same land against the Latin American immigrants and that is good, because the Latins Americans are, what, savages that don’t even speak English?

Wow.

You are right. No one is innocent.

So I guess you believe that civilised people should have stayed in Europe. The world would be a better place with more teepees.

By the way, Native Americans are not the holy martyrs you make them out to be.

I’m still waiting for someone to explain how THEY came to the North American contenient.

 

[Bullfighter]

Again you missed the point. The problem isn’t so much with what you said but with the attitude in which you are presenting it now.

The truth is the truth. My attitude has nothing to do with the truth.

I hate the people invading my country because of their corrupt attitude. They think they can just walk in and take it.

Are you going to stop them or help them?

 

[Redbandito]

Let me get this straight. The native Americans defended their land from invasion by the Anglos, and that was bad. That was bad because they were ignorant savages and the Anglos were God-fearing white people?

Then the white Anglo conquerors “defend” the same land against the Latin American immigrants and that is good, because the Latins Americans are, what, savages that don’t even speak English?

Wow.

You are right. No one is innocent.

So let me get this straight Paul. You are comparing the slaughter of those who would immigrate here by native Americans to the current us border policy. Wow is right!

 

[Redbandito]

The truth is the truth. My attitude has nothing to do with the truth.

I hate the people invading my country because of their corrupt attitude. They think they can just walk in and take it.

Are you going to stop them or help them?

Your attitude does Matter though. We are defend the truth I “gentleness and reverence.” Again, I fully intend to defend the rule of law but I will also defend the dignity of each person. Your attitude is not Christ like regardless of the worthiness of your cause.