Is Liberal Catholicism Dead?

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“Bring forth the Book of Armaments!”
Hrumph! there goes them Catholics adding another book:)

Watch the movie again. Intentionally or otherwise there are a lot of cool things in there. Examples…

The value and safety of ‘blind’ faith.
The perils of drinking unworthily.
Why did the Templar wait there? I mean, this was a quest, but what was the point? The cup was already guarded, as was demonstrated in the movie. Crossing the seal?
 
I was reading some encyclicals in my spare time for an encyclical study group we are starting up and stumbled across the following pronouncement from Vatican I

“If anyone says that the one true God, our Creator and Lord, cannot be known with certainty by the natural light of human reason by means of the things that are made, let him be anathema”;[4] and also, "If anyone says that it is not possible or not expedient that man be taught, through the medium of divine revelation, about God and the worship to be paid Him, let him be anathema’’;[5] and finally, “If anyone says that divine revelation cannot be made credible by external signs, and that therefore men should be drawn to the faith only by their personal internal experience or by private inspiration, let him be anathema.” papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10pasce.htm

These are foundational principles of the Catholic faith, which are being denied and which incur anathema. Thus, for one to knowingly hold to these positions, he has excommunicated himself from the Church of Christ (without need for a formal pronouncement).

The Catholic faith is the Catholic faith. As St. Thomas Aquinas has said, if one willfully deviates from any tenant of the Catholic faith, then that person is not Catholic.

In Pope Pius X’s encyclical Acerbo Nimis, his holiness explains the teaching crisis that existed within the Church at the dawn of the 20th century. papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10chdoc.htm We now face an even greater crisis and as a result, liberal Catholicism continues and likely will continue until teachers of the authentic Catholic faith arise in great numbers to refute and condemn the numerous heresies believed by many who profess to be in some degree “Catholic.” The end result of being confronted by truth is that liberals must then choose between the Church and her true teachings and their own teachings to which they hold. One cannot have it both ways. Marantha
 
I was reading some encyclicals in my spare time for an encyclical study group we are starting up and stumbled across the following pronouncement from Vatican I

“If anyone says that the one true God, our Creator and Lord, cannot be known with certainty by the natural light of human reason by means of the things that are made, let him be anathema”;[4] and also, "If anyone says that it is not possible or not expedient that man be taught, through the medium of divine revelation, about God and the worship to be paid Him, let him be anathema’’;[5] and finally, “If anyone says that divine revelation cannot be made credible by external signs, and that therefore men should be drawn to the faith only by their personal internal experience or by private inspiration, let him be anathema.” papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10pasce.htm

These are foundational principles of the Catholic faith, which are being denied and which incur anathema. Thus, for one to knowingly hold to these positions, he has excommunicated himself from the Church of Christ (without need for a formal pronouncement).

The Catholic faith is the Catholic faith. As St. Thomas Aquinas has said, if one willfully deviates from any tenant of the Catholic faith, then that person is not Catholic.

In Pope Pius X’s encyclical Acerbo Nimis, his holiness explains the teaching crisis that existed within the Church at the dawn of the 20th century. papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10chdoc.htm We now face an even greater crisis and as a result, liberal Catholicism continues and likely will continue until teachers of the authentic Catholic faith arise in great numbers to refute and condemn the numerous heresies believed by many who profess to be in some degree “Catholic.” The end result of being confronted by truth is that liberals must then choose between the Church and her true teachings and their own teachings to which they hold. One cannot have it both ways. Marantha
i.e. ‘…tell it to the Church…’

Uh oh, deja vu jade. I think I feel the crazy pills kickin’ in again.

Incoming? I’m afraid to think it is over. Kinda like waiting for the monster man inna slasher movie to pop out.
 
I have a ‘joke’ for y’all.

What is the difference between ignorance and apathy?

Don’t know and could care less.
 
Too kind of you. I am thankful that the Lord likely doesn’t include true humor in this usage of ‘disturbance’.

Although, and perhaps another saving grace is that humor, as well as
‘humor’ seems to spring from disturbance.
 
Too kind of you. I am thankful that the Lord likely doesn’t include true humor in this usage of ‘disturbance’.

Although, and perhaps another saving grace is that humor, as well as
‘humor’ seems to spring from disturbance.
Well I appreciate it. It brings thing back to perspective a lot of the time. One of my favorite things to do is laugh. We can’t take ourselves too seriously all the time.
 
Well I appreciate it. It brings thing back to perspective a lot of the time. One of my favorite things to do is laugh. We can’t take ourselves too seriously all the time.
“…All things pass; God never changes…God alone suffices.”

St. Teresa of Avila

Always been interested in these general concepts. Many implications here.

We are told there is a heaven, by normal understanding this is a place, a place is a thing…

Of course, eternity is beyond or perhaps is time/space and so beyond what we can know outside of revelation.

The only ‘conclusion’ that I can come to (funny) is that this is some type of pure existence, a state…being.

A being is a thing, being is not, and so it is with being.

‘I AM’

Could go on ‘forever’ (funny)
 
Skyryder, you do not consider yourself Catholic - do you?

If so, why? How do you differentiate that faith from some other faith - why is it important to you, that you be Catholic?
I think the main difference between conservatives or othodox catholics and liberal or progressive catholics like myself, is that the conservatives think the Papacy, Hierarchy, Tradition, Latin Mass, Dogma etc are what the religion is about. Liberals see religion as centered on Christ not any human institution or body of tradition or ritual. We see love as the guilding principal,and the message as being summed up in Mathew Chapters 5 thru 8.
Each generation has to reinterpret the message in ways that are meaningful and relevant to the times they live in. Check out jesusradicals.com/ This one has a great many resources on Christian Anarchy or Christarchy as some people are now calling it. We are called to be Christians first and Catholics last.
 
I think the main difference between conservatives or othodox catholics and liberal or progressive catholics like myself, is that the conservatives think the Papacy, Hierarchy, Tradition, Latin Mass, Dogma etc are what the religion is about. Liberals see religion as centered on Christ not any human institution or body of tradition or ritual. We see love as the guilding principal,and the message as being summed up in Mathew Chapters 5 thru 8.
Each generation has to reinterpret the message in ways that are meaningful and relevant to the times they live in. Check out jesusradicals.com/ This one has a great many resources on Christian Anarchy or Christarchy as some people are now calling it. We are called to be Christians first and Catholics last.
Wow…I…wow
 
I think the main difference between conservatives or othodox catholics and liberal or progressive catholics like myself, is that the conservatives think the Papacy, Hierarchy, Tradition, Latin Mass, Dogma etc are what the religion is about. Liberals see religion as centered on Christ not any human institution or body of tradition or ritual. We see love as the guilding principal,and the message as being summed up in Mathew Chapters 5 thru 8.
Each generation has to reinterpret the message in ways that are meaningful and relevant to the times they live in. Check out jesusradicals.com/ This one has a great many resources on Christian Anarchy or Christarchy as some people are now calling it. We are called to be Christians first and Catholics last.
I guess holy water would work, even if my laptop didn’t.
 
I think the main difference between conservatives or othodox catholics and liberal or progressive catholics like myself, is that the conservatives think the Papacy, Hierarchy, Tradition, Latin Mass, Dogma etc are what the religion is about. Liberals see religion as centered on Christ not any human institution or body of tradition or ritual. We see love as the guilding principal,and the message as being summed up in Mathew Chapters 5 thru 8.
Each generation has to reinterpret the message in ways that are meaningful and relevant to the times they live in. Check out jesusradicals.com/ This one has a great many resources on Christian Anarchy or Christarchy as some people are now calling it. We are called to be Christians first and Catholics last.
Ah yes-you make to up as you go along. Interesting on how that always results in a god that accepts each an every sin you cimmit-he even tells you they are not sins.
 
Skyryder, you do not consider yourself Catholic - do you?

If so, why? How do you differentiate that faith from some other faith - why is it important to you, that you be Catholic?
I’ll repeat these questions to skyryder since he has left them unanswered. I’ll add one more.

skyryder, I see that your profile lists your religion as “other” and I ask you what is “other?”
 
I think the main difference between conservatives or othodox catholics and liberal or progressive catholics like myself, is that the conservatives think the Papacy, Hierarchy, Tradition, Latin Mass, Dogma etc are what the religion is about. (No, they don’t, unless of course you count the Eucharist, but hey, why would you ) Liberals see religion as centered on Christ not any human (which means you yet again confirmed that you don’t believe the Church is the Church which means you are NOT CATHOLIC. And no, I have no right to say that. Good thing I didn’t) institution or body of tradition or ritual. (That would be more akin to protestants actually) We see love as the guilding principal,(as opposed to we loathsome Papist/Romanists) and the message as being summed up in Mathew Chapters 5 thru 8. (Oh, so that is why you are trying to get rid of the rest. Thanks for clearing that up.)
Each generation has to reinterpret the message (ahh, modernism, relativism and all the rest. In other words the message is that there is no message. What it means is it is meaningless) in ways that are meaningful (‘advantageous’) and relevant (sinabling) to the times they live in. Check out jesusradicals.com/ This one has a great many resources on Christian Anarchy (Holy ****) or Christarchy as some people are now calling it. We are called to be Christians first and Catholics last.( Can’t serve two masters chief)
You cannot be serious and yet I can’t believe someone could be so empty, and so pitiful as to do this sort of thing for kicks/attention either.

You are the vessel for a very strange blessing.
 
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