Is no life-after-death, something to fear?

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The difference, however, is that we were given the precious gift of life in between the 15 billion years before our birth and the 15 trillion after our death. That consciousness makes all the difference in our attitudes about life and death. I prefer the verses of Andrew Marvell regarding the themes of time and carpe diem in his great poem “To His Coy Mistress,” for example: “Time’s winged chariot hurrying near” and “Yonder all before us lie Deserts of vast eternity.”
 
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Self-evidently many folks are very afraid of Death…
which strongly suggests that any lack of HOPE in an Afterlife
  • as being an expected and obvious reason for being fearful of Death…
    especially when embraced as a final Oblivion…
 
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What is your perspective on, for example, fear of the proposal in terms of, what if it is true. Now I know there are posters who may reply that there is a zero likely-hood of it being true.
Right. That was my first reaction. It would be like asking me “what’s your fear of waking up tomorrow and having a horse’s head in place of yours?” None… because it literally is not a possibility. (And, even better, that’s just a natural impossibility; the confidence in eternal life is given to us divinely.)
Dawkins, and others, believe we (humanity) has manufactured God because of our fear of death.
I think it would be necessary for them to prove their case, rather than merely assert it. And, there’s really no way to prove that assertion, but the best they can do is say “humans fear death” and “therefore, humans therefore fear lack of eternal life”.

You know how it goes: “freely asserted, freely denied.” 🤷‍♂️
The Dawkins style atheist proposes the fear among humanity was so great, we invented religion to relieve our fear.
That’s what’s most illogical about the proposition: it’s like saying “I so fear that I’ll run out of ice cream that I invent the notion that there’s a chocolate cake in my dining room.” How does the cake mitigate the fear of the loss of ice cream, especially as it does nothing to prevent the loss of ice cream?

At best, I suppose, I could reason that one invents the cake in order to serve as a substitute for the ice cream. In that case, wouldn’t it be more rational to invent the idea that “when I die, I get ice cream forever”? Why invent something else rather than what I want? Better yet, why invent something that’s conditional on behavior that neither helps me nor helps my “made-up deity”?

In order to follow this notion, one must posit a tortured chain of out-of-the-blue presumptions, none of which is substantiated by any evidence.
 
However, for some or even many Catholics, there is another big fear, namely, fear of hell, which means being alive but suffering from separation from G-d for eternity.
Yes - that exists with some - yet never within all.

And it shouldn’t be that way - for any followers of Christ, aka Christians: Catholic or otherwise…

Several things from the OT and NT of direct note:

The Christians in the NT - most of whom were Jews - exhibited not any of that Fear of Hell.

Rather - They’re full of Hope and Bravery.. even in the very face of Death (of the Body) Itself!

In the OT and NT we see the Teaching that "Fear (properly Understood) is the beginning of Wisdom!"

This FEAR does not intend to be Timidness / Afraidness.

Rather: TOTAL AWE & RESPECT! … For, we’re speaking here of God/G-d

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From rabbi Jesus’ Gospel via Matthew we have:

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Instead, Fear the One (God) who can destroy both soul and body in hell.


King James translation:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:
but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


This is echoed via Luke:

But I will show you whom you should fear:
Fear the One who, after you have been killed, has power to throw you into hell.
Yes, I tell you, fear Him!


In other words - Do NOT be afraid of Satan / Death…

Rather, Fear the Lord - for That is the Beginning of Wisdom!

This way… One does not ever worriedly concern oneself with Hell… .

but Rather, fully concern oneself with God, Salvation, Heaven…

Shalom

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I do not entertain such fears, however I have known atheists who do. They fear death because it is final, they enjoy this life and do not want it to end, so death is depressing to them.
 
Well there is proof of life after death if you want to listen - lots of people have had NDEs and they all have a similar tread. Peace at death , in a peaceful darkness for 3 days then either they meet family members or a being of light and are then told go back or sent back.
This man has done the research watch the video

You can write off some of the people but not all of them there are literately millions of people who have had them.
 
The Dawkins style atheist proposes the fear among humanity was so great, we invented religion to relieve our fear.
Do you know of any religion that doesn’t offer either a rebirth or some sort of everlasting life? One surely must ask why that is common to all religions.
 
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I do not entertain such fears, however I have known atheists who do. They fear death because it is final, they enjoy this life and do not want it to end, so death is depressing to them.
I don’t fear death. But I find it depressing that when I have gone everyone carries on regardless. It’s not non-existence I’m afraid of. I’m just frustdated that the party is going to go on without me.
 
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Gorgias:
The Dawkins style atheist proposes the fear among humanity was so great, we invented religion to relieve our fear.
Do you know of any religion that doesn’t offer either a rebirth or some sort of everlasting life? One surely must ask why that is common to all religions.
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Gorgias:
The Dawkins style atheist proposes the fear among humanity was so great, we invented religion to relieve our fear.
Umm… you’re quoting @Mijoy2 here, not me. 😉
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Freddy:
Do you know of any religion that doesn’t offer either a rebirth or some sort of everlasting life?
Buddhism. Judaism.
One surely must ask why that is common to all religions.
“Because it speaks to a universal truth” is just as reasonable as “because we’re big ol’ scardycats”…?
 
“Because it speaks to a universal truth” is just as reasonable as “because we’re big ol’ scardycats”…?
Yeah. I’d agree. We’d all like to live on somehow and meet our nearest and dearest departed. That is pretty universal.
 
If it were true that universally there is no life after death, it should be nothing to fear.
 
We’d all like to live on somehow and meet our nearest and dearest departed. That is pretty universal.
That’s not an argument from fear, though, which is what has been posited and which is being discussed. 😉
 
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Freddy:
We’d all like to live on somehow and meet our nearest and dearest departed. That is pretty universal.
That’s not an argument from fear, though, which is what has been posited and which is being discussed. 😉
Well, it’s a fear of being separated from those we love. It doesn’t have to mean ‘scared’.
 
Well, it’s a fear of being separated from those we love. It doesn’t have to mean ‘scared’.
Separation happens all the time and it’s to easy forget about them in the course of everyday life. Except maybe for a spouse which is usally the only person that stays for a long period of time.
 
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I don’t fear death or non-existence any more than any other bloke. But I cherish existence anyway and am reassured, to put it mildly, that God has revealed that life is eternal. “Reassured” only because that means God is good- and that love and goodness themselves are foundational to this universe. That’s better than the alternative. Anyway, I wouldn’t bother believing just because I want to.
 
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Freddy:
Well, it’s a fear of being separated from those we love.
That’s different than “desire to live on” and “meet our loved ones”, though. 😉
The desire to live on (I don’t want to cease to exist) and the fear of not seeing our loved ones (I miss them and want to see them again) are different but equally valid reasons for wanting an afterlife.
 
different but equally valid reasons for wanting an afterlife.
Sure. But the claim under consideration here isn’t “I posit an afterlife merely because I want it”, but rather, “I posit an afterlife merely because I fear the lack of one”.

We can talk about the plausibility of the former claim, but the former claim doesn’t provide justification of the latter claim.
 
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Freddy:
(I miss them and want to see them again) are different but equally valid reasons for wanting an afterlife.
Death will completely end these worries.
One way or another. You’re either in a position not to worry about it (you’re dead) or there is life after death and you all meet up again. Most people seem to prefer Option B.
 
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