Is psychiatry a science?

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People abuse physics and chemistry to make weapons. Is that the physicist and chemist’s fault or the science? The science is what the science is: its application is at the fault of its practicioners.
Man are you serious? my point is that how does a psychiatric know that I have a bipolar disorder? Can he or she see that? can he or she meaure that? My doctor can see if I have cerebral tumor with an electroencephalogram, can a psychiatric do that?
 
This is a forum, not a medical school. You’re not going to get “proof” here. Perhaps you could read some pre-med textbooks about mental illness. There are also a number of books about the subject for laymen, written by scientists, doctors, and science writers. Your public library may have a few - ask your librarian.

Those of us who suffer from various “mental” problems, or have loved ones who do, know it is much more complicated than some people think. Psychiatry is not yet a science, but science is used to understand mental/emotional/brain problems better - and hopefully find cures.
Bonnie there are a lot of people who haven’t been helped.In fact,they are even worse.
you know Psychiatry has always gotten wrong, look at History. Psychiatry is about make money and that makes me angry and it should make you angry too
 
Bonnie there are a lot of people who haven’t been helped.In fact,they are even worse.
you know Psychiatry has always gotten wrong, look at History. Psychiatry is about make money and that makes me angry and it should make you angry too
It makes me angry. My brother committed suicide in a mental institution. All they did for him is pump in full of drugs and tell him he was crazy.
 
It makes me angry. My brother committed suicide in a mental institution. All they did for him is pump in full of drugs and tell him he was crazy.
I’m so sorry CHRISTINE77.
The worst thing about this “science” is that it does not have solutions. Are kids bipolar? No, they just are kids, leave kids be what they are, don’t give them drugs.
 
I’m so sorry CHRISTINE77.
The worst thing about this “science” is that it does not have solutions. Are kids bipolar? No, they just are kids, leave kids be what they are, don’t give them drugs.
Amen. there is no such thing as a hyperactive kid. All kids are excited…or should be…
 
Psychiatry is as much of a science as cardiology is. It has helped me a lot. Before I was diagnosed, I was suicidal. I hated life. Now I am happy. 🙂
 
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 Or caffeine.  I can be an absolute Grouchus Maximus when I get up, but after my morning beverage, I'm all :D and ready to take on the day.
I’m totally guessing here, but I’m pretty sure that some mental disorders are, in fact, caused by chemical imbalances in the brain, while others are caused by crossed wiring. However, it seems to me that the way the psychiatric community works is to say, “Okay, we’ll try this, and if this doesn’t work, then we’ll try that, and if that doesn’t work, there’s a third option we can try . . .” My wife is on several psychotropics, and over the years it has seemed like her doctors have been just guessing. My reaction to being prescribed one of those would be to ask, “What, exactly, is missing in my brain chemistry? How do you know it’s missing? And how is this drug going to replace it.”
Historically this is how it has been done, but new technology will make this trial and error method obsolete.

Now a simple cheek swab can be used to determine what a person is able to metabolize and what they cannot. It will save a lot of grief for people trying to find a medication that works.
So, in answer to the thread title, is psychiatry a science. Sure it is, right up there with alchemy and astrology. That’s my take. TMMV.
All sciences have developed with experiementation. Naturally it is more difficult to conduct such research on human subjects.

I agree with the statement on caffeine. 😉
 
How do you know how many people are helped? Lol.
everybody here agree that mental illness is caused by chemical imbalance in the brain do you? But that claim does NOT have any foundation, where is it? I keep waiting for it.
Just for the record, most of us did NOT agree to this. Yes, there are biological factors that predispose people, and we know that mental illness then causes brain changes. But there are many other factors as well, family, personal history, culture, prenatal exposure to substances, etc, etc. The most comprehensive model is a biopsychosocial model that takes all these things into account together.

And some of us believe that there is significant demonic influence that is a major factor.
Man are you serious? my point is that how does a psychiatric know that I have a bipolar disorder? Can he or she see that? can he or she meaure that? My doctor can see if I have cerebral tumor with an electroencephalogram, can a psychiatric do that?
That is easy. They use the International Compendium of clinical disorders. All the experts got together and picked out the diagnostic criteria, and whoever meets them gets a diagnosis. 😃
Bonnie there are a lot of people who haven’t been helped.In fact,they are even worse.
you know Psychiatry has always gotten wrong, look at History. Psychiatry is about make money and that makes me angry and it should make you angry too
yes, there are people that have not been helped, just like there are people that still die of many conditions or suffer all their lives.

Saying that “psychiatry has always gotten wrong” seems like an uneducated and prejudicial statement.

History demonstrates that psychiatry has significantly improved the quality of life for mentally ill people.

Just for the record, though, I think making a profit off the suffering of others is a grave moral evil. This applies to any science or business venture.
 
It makes me angry. My brother committed suicide in a mental institution. All they did for him is pump in full of drugs and tell him he was crazy.
My aunt did also. There are some mental health treatments that are less than adequate, for sure.
I’m so sorry CHRISTINE77.
The worst thing about this “science” is that it does not have solutions. Are kids bipolar? No, they just are kids, leave kids be what they are, don’t give them drugs.
There are some kids who are bipolar, but I think it is very rare. I also think that there is gross overdiagnosis of “ADHD” and far too many kids on medication. What did teachers do in the classroom 50 years ago? they worked with the kids to keep them focused and make them succeed. Now, when a child is too “active” teachers, parents, counselors and doctors want to medicate them. It is tragic.
Amen. there is no such thing as a hyperactive kid. All kids are excited…or should be…
I think a lot of what is getting diagnosed as “hyperactive” is actually trauma.
 
Is psychiatry a fraud?:confused:
It must be a science per the definition in Collins (American).

**Science: **2. systematized knowledge derived from observation, study, and experimentation carried on in order to determine the nature or principles of what is being studied
 
Everything in the mental health profession centers around watered-down behavioral therapy, which is not particularly effective. Speak to virtually any professional about Contemplative Prayer (once you explain what it is) and they would agree that such mental discipline can be very useful in treatment, but none will actually prescribe it because of its association with religion.
 
Everything in the mental health profession centers around watered-down behavioral therapy, which is not particularly effective. Speak to virtually any professional about Contemplative Prayer (once you explain what it is) and they would agree that such mental discipline can be very useful in treatment, but none will actually prescribe it because of its association with religion.
Good point Robert. Traditionally all medicine had a spiritual aspect to it. Now it is entirely scientific and secular. It is hard to put your faith in a “system”. The most we can hope for is that we will never be dragged into the medical system, unless we have broken bones or some easily cured infection or virus. Otherwise we are putting our lives into a very dubious and expensive system. A lot of healing has to do with faith. If you have no faith in the healer, it is not going to do much good.
 
Psychiatry is as much of a science as cardiology is. It has helped me a lot. Before I was diagnosed, I was suicidal. I hated life. Now I am happy. 🙂
I agree and am happy to hear that you benefited from the services of mental health professionals. There’s a good reason why I donate money to the National Alliance on Mental Illness on a regular basis.
 
Everything in the mental health profession centers around watered-down behavioral therapy, which is not particularly effective.
There is quite an evidence base that shows behavior therapy is effective. But I disagree that everything in th emental health profession centers around “watered down behavioral therapy”. It is true that managed care companies demand evidence based treatments for reimbursements.

If the behavior is causing a problem, doesn’t it follow that it is a good idea to change teh behavior?
Speak to virtually any professional about Contemplative Prayer (once you explain what it is) and they would agree that such mental discipline can be very useful in treatment, but none will actually prescribe it because of its association with religion.
This is one area that Dialectical Behavior Therapy has gotten an edge. Dr. Linehan found a way to integrate mindfulness into evidence based treatment. It need to be done, and should be done. Prayer is healthy for the soul!
Good point Robert. Traditionally all medicine had a spiritual aspect to it. Now it is entirely scientific and secular. It is hard to put your faith in a “system”. The most we can hope for is that we will never be dragged into the medical system, unless we have broken bones or some easily cured infection or virus. Otherwise we are putting our lives into a very dubious and expensive system. A lot of healing has to do with faith. If you have no faith in the healer, it is not going to do much good.
There is quite an evidence base thet shows people get better when someone is praying for them. You are right that much of the “soul” has been taken out of psychology. I don’t think people get better without faith. As Carl Jung said, every soul that is healed arrives at a religious perspective on life.
 
A problem with modern psychiatry is that they experiment with people. Studies are done for example on whether Zoloft helps with depression. However, psychiatrists will give Zoloft to someone who is also on an anti-psychotic. This combination has not been studied. When you start combining different psychotropics, you essentially have a new medication which is a combination of two medications. This “new” medication often has not been tested.
 
You just proved my point. Psychiatry is dispensing drugs. It is not a science.
Seriously?

I have a mental disorder. A personality disorder to be more exact. It is treated by psychiatrists, often with assisting psychologists, though a treatment called ‘Dialectical behaviour therapy’. It can not be treated by drugs.

How does that square with your statement that psychiatry is only about ‘dispensing drugs’?

Even if psychiatric treatment was primarily about dispensing drugs that doesn’t mean it isn’t science. The local pharmacist only dispenses drugs yet pharmacy is a science. It is an accepted part of the health sciences.

As for your later statement:
I still maintain that psychiatrists often center on sexuality and dispensing drugs.
I have been under the care of 3 different psychiatrists in the last 6 years. Not one of those psychiatrists has focused in on sexuality as the cause or centre of anything. Nor have any of them focused on treating things with drugs unless things get to a point where there is no choice (I do have diagnoses other than the personality disorder unfortunately). I am only on the drugs for as long as necessary then I am taken off and we look at treating the root cause.

What you are saying is dangerous. Psychiatry has saved my life and it has helped numerous other people. Such black and white statements along the lines that psychiatry is all fraud that cannot help anyone could influence someone who needs psychiatric help to dismiss it or even stop treatment that is helping. That makes me angry.

Not only did psychiatry save my life but it has made my life liveable. Today I am a functioning member of society. I wasn’t for many years. In fact I was so bad I was legally declared disabled and incapable of ever been able to work. Now I have been in full time work for over 4 years - and it was because of psychiatry. I’m sorry your friends and family haven’t had the same results I saw. That doesn’t mean that the entire field should be dismissed.

You say your sister died of cancer despite chemotherapy. I’m curious, does that mean you tell everyone with cancer that chemotherapy is a fraud and never helps anyone?
 
Everything in the mental health profession centers around watered-down behavioral therapy, which is not particularly effective.
Behavioural therapy can be incredibly effective. Dialectical behavioural therapy is the only treatment for Borderline personality disorder and has been found to be very effective so long as the patient remains committed to the therapy. Much like chemo, if you drop out of treatment it won’t work.
 
I have a mental disorder. A personality disorder to be more exact. It is treated by psychiatrists, often with assisting psychologists, though a treatment called ‘Dialectical behaviour therapy’. It can not be treated by drugs.

I have been under the care of 3 different psychiatrists in the last 6 years. Not one of those psychiatrists has focused in on sexuality as the cause or centre of anything. Nor have any of them focused on treating things with drugs unless things get to a point where there is no choice (I do have diagnoses other than the personality disorder unfortunately). I am only on the drugs for as long as necessary then I am taken off and we look at treating the root cause.

What you are saying is dangerous. Psychiatry has saved my life and it has helped numerous other people. Such black and white statements along the lines that psychiatry is all fraud that cannot help anyone could influence someone who needs psychiatric help to dismiss it or even stop treatment that is helping. That makes me angry.

Not only did psychiatry save my life but it has made my life liveable. Today I am a functioning member of society. I wasn’t for many years. In fact I was so bad I was legally declared disabled and incapable of ever been able to work. Now I have been in full time work for over 4 years - and it was because of psychiatry. I’m sorry your friends and family haven’t had the same results I saw. That doesn’t mean that the entire field should be dismissed.
What a great testimony Sheila. Thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work. 👍
 
Behavioural therapy can be incredibly effective. Dialectical behavioural therapy is the only treatment for Borderline personality disorder and has been found to be very effective so long as the patient remains committed to the therapy. Much like chemo, if you drop out of treatment it won’t work.
Absolutely. I was with my ex-girlfriend for 7 1/2 years and she was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, the most severe of the personality disorders. Dialectical Behavioural Therapy helped her tremendously, along with meds, but she had to stick with the program and work hard.
 
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