Is the CCC a rule or a suggestion or?

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Robert in SD:
To answer the original poster, I think that the CCC was not intended to replace the gospels or the teaching authority of the church, but was intended to be a compilation or restatement of the teachings of the Church in a usable and searchable format.

To use an analogy from the legal field, there are secondary sources that lawyers use as an aid to discerning the law applicable to certain situations. These secondary sources -sometimes called “Restatements” - are written to be accurate summaries of the law, with citations to the primary or binding authorities upon which it is based (i.e. cases and statutes). But these secondary sources or "Restatements themselves are not “the law” nor can they be cited to a court as binding authority. Their usefulness comes from their format - as a useful and searchable aid to quickly determine what the general rule of law is in any particular legal field.

IMHO, I think these restatements of the law are analogous to the CCC. The CCC is an easily used - but general - restatement" of the teachings of the church, with citations to the church’s “primary authority” (i.e. Scripture and declarative papal and conciliar statements). So, in other words, while the CCC is not binding it is a good summary of the doctrines of the Church, and useful to use as a study aid. However, it should not be relied upon as if it were the binding authority - only the gospels and the original doctrinal teachings of the church hold that kind of authority.

Just my :twocents:
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That sounds like a likely explanation.
 
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buffalo:
Which the CCC references on each and every page.
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Yes, as JPII wrote:
**THE DOCTRINAL VALUE OF THE TEXT **
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The *Catechism of the Catholic Church, *which I approved 25 June last and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of Catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, Apostolic Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium. I declare it to be a valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion and a sure norm for teaching the faith. May it serve the renewal to which the Holy Spirit ceaselessly calls the Church of God, the Body of Christ, on her pilgrimage to the undiminished light of the kingdom!
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FIDEI DEPOSITUM
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buffalo:
Perhaps we can ask Jesus to be a moderator and He will tell us we all are wrong. 😦
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Now wouldn’t that be a kick in the pants! 😛 Someday, he may do just that.
 
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mikew262:
Now wouldn’t that be a kick in the pants! 😛 Someday, he may do just that.
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And I can’t wait. Then everyone will realise that all the Christians (regardless of denomination) are all part of the body of Christ. We are all one church. The RCC might be the arm of Christ While another denom. is the toes. But the long and short of it is that we all worship God. Won’t it be awesome? :bounce: :gopray2: ❤️
 
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Linnyo:
And I can’t wait. Then everyone will realise that all the Christians (regardless of denomination) are all part of the body of Christ. We are all one church. The RCC might be the arm of Christ While another denom. is the toes. But the long and short of it is that we all worship God. Won’t it be awesome? :bounce: :gopray2: ❤️
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Oops! :tsktsk: The RCC is the one true faith. Protestants are not a branch.

Jesus did not lie to us.
 
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buffalo:
Oops! :tsktsk: The RCC is the one true faith. Protestants are not a branch.

Jesus did not lie to us.
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Nah! I became a Christian long before I became a Catholic! Until I was 19 I had never set foot in the RCC. Yet I am fully confident that my fundemental beliefs were acceptable to God. We can not be so judgemental as to assume that all non-cathilics are also non-christians and will therefore never worship alongside us in Heaven :whacky:
When we are all dead to this life, we will all be part of the body of Christ if we do what God tells us and believe in Jesus as the son of God. Most protestants were born into their families and have never protested in their lives! They believe the same Bible and some even say the same creed. They cannot be told they are wrong just for being born into the wrong family. God is a loving father. He is not just a father to catholics but to all Christians.
 
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Linnyo:
Nah! I became a Christian long before I became a Catholic! Until I was 19 I had never set foot in the RCC. Yet I am fully confident that my fundemental beliefs were acceptable to God. We can not be so judgemental as to assume that all non-cathilics are also non-christians and will therefore never worship alongside us in Heaven :whacky:
When we are all dead to this life, we will all be part of the body of Christ if we do what God tells us and believe in Jesus as the son of God. Most protestants were born into their families and have never protested in their lives! They believe the same Bible and some even say the same creed. They cannot be told they are wrong just for being born into the wrong family. God is a loving father. He is not just a father to catholics but to all Christians.
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Well said, however, probably most unpopular on this forum. You will be accused of relativism and maybe even heresy by our most devout fellow posters. Beware!
 
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mikew262:
Well said, however, probably most unpopular on this forum. You will be accused of relativism and maybe even heresy by our most devout fellow posters. Beware!
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Perhaps one day, I’ll be as popular as you. 😃
I’m definately not guilty of heresy though…I don’t think. :confused:
 
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Linnyo:
Nah! I became a Christian long before I became a Catholic! Until I was 19 I had never set foot in the RCC. Yet I am fully confident that my fundemental beliefs were acceptable to God. We can not be so judgemental as to assume that all non-cathilics are also non-christians and will therefore never worship alongside us in Heaven :whacky:
When we are all dead to this life, we will all be part of the body of Christ if we do what God tells us and believe in Jesus as the son of God. Most protestants were born into their families and have never protested in their lives! They believe the same Bible and some even say the same creed. They cannot be told they are wrong just for being born into the wrong family. God is a loving father. He is not just a father to catholics but to all Christians.
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First of all, we are not arguing the salvation of other Christians/Protestants. If you read your catechism, the church teaches that others outside the church can be saved by loving God as best as they know him. That aside... you who call yourself a "Catholic" yet "protest" the OFFICIAL teachings of the Church are in fact no Catholic. It takes humility to accept the teachings of a Church that has been around since when our Creator walked on earth over your own oppinions. If I had a dollar for everytime you used the phrase "in my oppinion" i would definately be a rich person. Heresy is a huge problem in the church now a days and I think its time to change this. The Church teaches infallibly and with absolutely NO leeway that they are 100% correct on Faith and Morality. If you have a problem with it, then you should probably change your faith or your religion, because in these two areas, the Catholic Church will NEVER change
 
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Linnyo:
Nah! I became a Christian long before I became a Catholic! Until I was 19 I had never set foot in the RCC. Yet I am fully confident that my fundemental beliefs were acceptable to God. We can not be so judgemental as to assume that all non-cathilics are also non-christians and will therefore never worship alongside us in Heaven :whacky:
When we are all dead to this life, we will all be part of the body of Christ if we do what God tells us and believe in Jesus as the son of God. Most protestants were born into their families and have never protested in their lives! They believe the same Bible and some even say the same creed. They cannot be told they are wrong just for being born into the wrong family. God is a loving father. He is not just a father to catholics but to all Christians.
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If they find themselves in heaven it will be through the Catholic Church.
 
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buffalo:
Well then give me some Catholic teaching that refutes it.
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I’ll do better than that, I’ll give you a biblical one, which shows clearly that non-catholic Christians can be saved.

“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31).

While the Catholic Church claims there is no salvation outside the church, it also makes no presumption who will be in heaven and who won’t be. Since the Church doesn’t make this presumption, you shouldn’t either.

You just worry about how you’ll get to heaven; that’s enough worry for any of us.
 
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mikew262:
I’ll do better than that, I’ll give you a biblical one, which shows clearly that non-catholic Christians can be saved.
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All that are saved are saved through the Catholic Church whether they know it or not.
 
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